Questions For The British Home Secretary

[Khandro]

Lots of 'first times' on here, including the first in this post to sign in on the Koran. Where is Britain heading?

[ichkeria]

PW is a white genocide conspiracy theorist.
Therefore I’d want anything he says independently verified to say the least.
I almost got to 3 minutes. Poor show I know ...

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, // See above//
‘Above’ didn’t answer the question – one that I’ve asked you several times – and one that you’ve consistently skirted around – which is no surprise and says it all.

[sandyRoe]

The account of TR's experiences in durance vile brought to mind Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago. Is there the makings of a book here? I think it could be titled, My Struggle.

[vetuste_ennemi]

poor attention span is not an argument

[Khandro]

//I almost got to 3 minutes. Poor show I know ...//

Which statement of fact within that 'almost 3 minutes' could you not accept?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Two books called (or themed on) "my struggle" I know of.

Both hate Jews.

[Kromovaracun]

Look,it's not exactly unreasonable to be a little suspicious of assertions made by someone who really can't be described as anything other than a professional crackpot. People really should be extremely cautious at the very least when approaching a source like that for information.

[naomi24]

I’ll say again that I see no evidence that the authorities or the media are refuting Tommy Robinson’s claims, which considering their penchant for breathing down his neck is very odd indeed, so whether anyone is a white genocide conspiracy theorist, a closet Muslim, a right-wing lunatic, a left-wing lunatic, or stuck with any other label, the question is should anyone incarcerated in a British prison be subjected to such treatment – or is it only acceptable when it’s Tommy Robinson?

Krom, //really can't be described as anything other than a professional crackpot.//

You’re mistaken. I wouldn’t describe him as a professional crackpot. He tells the truth – as unsavoury as that may be.

[Kromovaracun]

Not a single word in this video is substantiated. There are no links in the description, no photo or video evidence for his assertion that Robinson was 'gaunt' or 'mentally fragile' , there is no evidence presented whatsoever that Robinson's human rights were violated there is no evidence presented of 'international outrage' (no, youtube comments do not count).

Nothing whatsoever in this video is substantiated. It is all just assertion after assertion by someone with very extreme views who earns his crust by having extreme views.


Honestly it is quite concerning that so many people go to this person for information. There's none here.

[naomi24]

Krom, had similar claims been made by a Muslim prisoner, what do you think would have happened?

[Kromovaracun]

If it was just as substantiated as this allegation is? Nothing.

[naomi24]

Krom, I don't doubt for a moment that there would be an official enquiry. Where's the enquiry here?

[Kromovaracun]

Well, you asked me what I thought - and you apparently think something different. It's completely unverifiable, though, so it's not a terribly useful question.

I'm trying to imagine all things being equal. I.e. Muslim leader of multiple extremist violent groups, with a long history of posing as a victim, gets arrested for committing the same crime he's on a suspended sentence for - then getting sentenced as one might expect and released on bail... No, I can't imagine people taking allegations of torture very seriously from a person like that until some credible evidence that it had actually happened came out.

[naomi24]

Krom, why is the nature of the crime relevant? If someone claims to have been mistreated in prison, the response is a formal enquiry. It has to be….. only not in this case. Evidence? Who's asking for it? No one.

[jim360]

I was mistreated in prison a few years ago now but they never launched a formal enquiry then, either. Was utterly shocking and I was ignored at every level.

[ichkeria]

I can see what’s going on here (and claiming no prizes for intuition).
We are presented with ‘facts’ and challenged to deny them, when there’s plainly no way of verifying one way or another. But the thing I always question is ‘why are these people yelling is this?’ Concern for prisoners’ rights, the values of liberal democracy? Or a forced admittance that man certain political agenda ‘has a point’ - sounds like a sort of grooming to me: stirring up of a sense of injustice against one particular person or race: the next step being: ‘join us therefore to defend ourselves against them’
So it’s a few minutes of preparation or ‘softening up’ with tales of abuse and victimisation of one person - in the name of values which I’m sceptical the speaker actually has much time for - before moving on to the ‘inevitable conclusion’.
So that’s why I stopped: give me someone not grinding an axe, of whatever sort, and maybe I’ll be interested

[anotheoldgit]

fiction-factory

/// try not to anatagonise large sections of the population, ///

In other words don't antagonise the followers of Islam and in this case their apologists.

[naomi24]

ichkeria, //Concern for prisoners’ rights, the values of liberal democracy?//

Try concern for equal rights. Where is the enquiry into these allegations?

[jim360]

In what version of reality does anyone seriously believe that the government should launch a "formal enquiry" into allegations made only on YouTube?

[anotheoldgit]

fiction-factory

/// Why do people think that we should believe everything Tommy says. He has an agenda. ///

That's rich coming from the likes of you.