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Surely The Time Has Now Come To Put An End To This Trouble Making Event?
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AOG - // There are no other festivals, horse race meetings, football matches, or concerts, that have the violent, disruptive and criminal record that this carnival has. //
As long as the Mail is so keen to detail the negative aspects of the Carnival, it will always appear to be the one event that should be stopped - but it won't be, because the actions of the few are never going to stop the pleasure of the many, nor indeed should they.
// May be acceptable for some cultures but not ours. //
Ah - a clue to the real reason for your annual ire!
The problem for you is, this Carnival is part of 'our' culture - but to be completely accurate, it appears not to be part of yours.
As long as the Mail is so keen to detail the negative aspects of the Carnival, it will always appear to be the one event that should be stopped - but it won't be, because the actions of the few are never going to stop the pleasure of the many, nor indeed should they.
// May be acceptable for some cultures but not ours. //
Ah - a clue to the real reason for your annual ire!
The problem for you is, this Carnival is part of 'our' culture - but to be completely accurate, it appears not to be part of yours.
andres - // Only one person stabbed . So that makes it alright then? //
No-one is suggesting that carrying weapons, and in one case using them is remotely acceptable.
The thrust of the debate is whether the small amount of violence, unacceptable as it is, would justify stopping the event, and the majority of posters thus fare clearly feel that it does not.
No-one is suggesting that carrying weapons, and in one case using them is remotely acceptable.
The thrust of the debate is whether the small amount of violence, unacceptable as it is, would justify stopping the event, and the majority of posters thus fare clearly feel that it does not.
Sqad - // Don't just focus on the opinion of AOG, as many, hundreds, thousands, perhaps millions including myself ask that very same question...."Why do Gays etc need to parade and why is it so garish and "shoved" down one's throat? //
The cue is in the title - Gay Pride'.
Even in 2018, and lord knows for decades preceding, gay people have lived in a society than hates and fears them. That is why, on a few days a year, gay people get together and express their pride in being who they are, and showing that they will not be cowed and beaten down, and that they are a part of society, whether society likes it or not.
If you abhor that stance for a few hours, a few times a year, and think it is 'shoved down one's throat' as you so dramatically put it, then stay in, watch the tv, read a book, you are not compelled to be involved.
The cue is in the title - Gay Pride'.
Even in 2018, and lord knows for decades preceding, gay people have lived in a society than hates and fears them. That is why, on a few days a year, gay people get together and express their pride in being who they are, and showing that they will not be cowed and beaten down, and that they are a part of society, whether society likes it or not.
If you abhor that stance for a few hours, a few times a year, and think it is 'shoved down one's throat' as you so dramatically put it, then stay in, watch the tv, read a book, you are not compelled to be involved.
Sqad
This isn't a thread about Pride, but the answer is that the UK's remarkable progress in recognising same-sex love is an historic achievement worth celebrating. Especially (but not exclusively) for the younger generation, it's an important part of how proud we are of our country and society for granting its citizens freedom to love whomsoever they wish that previous generations did not have.
More generally, festivals are an important part of public life and culture.
This isn't a thread about Pride, but the answer is that the UK's remarkable progress in recognising same-sex love is an historic achievement worth celebrating. Especially (but not exclusively) for the younger generation, it's an important part of how proud we are of our country and society for granting its citizens freedom to love whomsoever they wish that previous generations did not have.
More generally, festivals are an important part of public life and culture.
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"their pride in being who they are, and showing that they will not be cowed and beaten down, and that they are a part of society, whether society likes it or not. "
"Whether society likes it or not"
That is what "stuffing it down one's throat means" *** you Charlie, i.m alright."
I don't abhor, the Parade, as you put it, i find it difficult to reconcile the money spent on it for such a garish episode which in my opinion has NEVER been a part of British culture.
"their pride in being who they are, and showing that they will not be cowed and beaten down, and that they are a part of society, whether society likes it or not. "
"Whether society likes it or not"
That is what "stuffing it down one's throat means" *** you Charlie, i.m alright."
I don't abhor, the Parade, as you put it, i find it difficult to reconcile the money spent on it for such a garish episode which in my opinion has NEVER been a part of British culture.
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Sqad - // That is what "stuffing it down one's throat means" *** you Charlie, i.m alright." //
One man's, and woman's assertion of their right to live and love as they choose, is another man's throat being invaded - but I think the notion that it is done regardless of society's acceptance is somewhat the point of the exercise.
//I don't abhor, the Parade, as you put it … //
Actually I don't 'put it' - if you read my post properly, you will see that I said that if you abhor the position taken by gay people, not the Parade itself - do try and respond to what I said, it saves me making time-wasting corrections.
// I find it difficult to reconcile the money spent on it for such a garish episode which in my opinion has NEVER been a part of British culture. //
Fine, I find it impossible to reconcile the money spent on nuclear weapons when our health service is in crisis, which should NEVER have been a part of British culture.
That's the problem with living in any society - there are people who live differently, and see the world differently, and spend money differently, than we ourselves would. We simply have to accept that not everyone sees and does what we see and do.
It's called tolerance.
One man's, and woman's assertion of their right to live and love as they choose, is another man's throat being invaded - but I think the notion that it is done regardless of society's acceptance is somewhat the point of the exercise.
//I don't abhor, the Parade, as you put it … //
Actually I don't 'put it' - if you read my post properly, you will see that I said that if you abhor the position taken by gay people, not the Parade itself - do try and respond to what I said, it saves me making time-wasting corrections.
// I find it difficult to reconcile the money spent on it for such a garish episode which in my opinion has NEVER been a part of British culture. //
Fine, I find it impossible to reconcile the money spent on nuclear weapons when our health service is in crisis, which should NEVER have been a part of British culture.
That's the problem with living in any society - there are people who live differently, and see the world differently, and spend money differently, than we ourselves would. We simply have to accept that not everyone sees and does what we see and do.
It's called tolerance.
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