Why Shouldn't The Grenfell Tower Area Residents Now Return To Their Homes?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/19/grenfell-tower-area-residents-told-return-home-or-lose-council-tenancies

[anotheoldgit]

To all you ladies and gentlemen, may I distance myself from Answerbank's self appointed AOG spokesperson Zacs-Master, by announcing that anything that person says regarding myself, is a complete figment of his own twisted imagination and as such should be completely ignored.

[Mamyalynne]

I was perhaps setting some faith in this part of the article...

//However, it adds that nobody will be forced to give up their tenancy against their will and that those unable to make a decision by the end of this month will be given more support to help them make their decision “within a reasonable timescale”.//

It's a difficult situation.

[bainbrig]

Ah, old git, but we all have the faculty of reading, and that's just what we've been doing to your posts for all these years.

We all know precisely what you're on about, where you're coming from, what you're agenda is, and when to ignore you (which is mostly).

[cassa333]

Have to agree with youngmafdog on this one Zac.

Because no one has even mentioned ethnicity in reply. So didn’t see what you have decided is the real question and have answered the actual question instead.

Have the people unwilling to return had psychological evaluation or are they expected to be believed just on their own sayso?

The simple fact on paper is they have a tenancy in adequate accommodation and are refusing to return to it. In most any other council accommodation scenario they would have made themselves homeless and taken off the register.

So they have a choice. Return or pay higher rent for where they are now and if needed wait (possibly a considerable time) for the accommodation they prefer.

Trauma or no trauma the council can’t sit on empty accommodation indefinitely.

[bainbrig]

Mamyalynne. If only the world (or at least the local council in West London) was populated by people as caring and sensitive as you... well, there wouldn't be any need for this thread, for a start!

[youngmafbog]

Local councils cannot be caring, especially these days or people tak ethe pee.

[naomi24]

Bainbrig, // [the Council] taking no regard whatever for the dreadful trauma these people have suffered.//

I think they’ve given those people fair consideration. They’ve met the difference between the normal rent and the cost of temporary accommodation for well over a year whilst keeping their original homes empty awaiting their return. How long would you expect them to continue to do that? Another year, five years, ten years ... indefinitely?

[youngmafbog]

Bainbrig would probably like to build them a Castle and hand them a few million a piece at the same time.

Enough is enough. If a year is still causing stress then the best thingis to move out of London.

[anotheoldgit]

bainbrig

I confess to being Right-Wing, but I take exception to being called a loon, from the likes of you.

/// The local council are threatening her and those in similar situations - saying they will forfeit their tenancies unless they go back or accept a flat in Liverpool (or wherever), taking no regard whatever for the dreadful trauma these people have suffered.

Of course it is right for the council to give her a choice, why should she hold on to the tenancy of the flat, of which she says, "living in would cause her trauma".

She has a choice move back in or pay the correct rent for the accommodation she now lives in, so that the council can then offer her old flat to some homeless person in need of such accommodation.

[retrocop]

"One woman explained that she and her children were finding it hard to move back because friends had been burnt to death in that building, only a stone's throw from their place. Burnt to death! "

I bet a pound to a bent halfpenny. If the council demolish that Tower Block and replace it with a new fully modern block of flats with pent house suites ,5 bedrooms and luxury fittings this so-called traumatised woman and he kids would be in there quicker than Leroy on a rocket.
I suppose had their friends been tragically killed by a bus in their street then they would never leave their front door or step on a bus again. I don't think so.

[Rockrose]

//If the council demolish that Tower Block and replace it with a new fully modern block of flats with pent house suites //
You cannot build a building full of penthouse suites.
Penthouse - noun - a flat on the top floor of a tall building

[SparklyKid]

No-one is trying it on (well, no-one except the local council, which is par for their course).

BB



Had to laugh at that, have you not been reading about all the fraudulent claims.

[Cloverjo]

I'm not a right-winger, far from it, but I agree with them here. The council can't keep the tenancies open for people while they're paying reduced rent for another place. So many other people need somewhere to live. It's time to choose.

[retrocop]

I said fully modern block of flats WITH PENTHOUSE suites.
You can get more than one pent house at the top of the block of flats

[sanmac]

I've read it three or four times, and I cannot see the phrase "full of".

"...and replace it with a new fully modern block of flats with pent house suites ,5 bedrooms and luxury fittings..."

[jackthehat]

///She has twice tried to move back to her flat but on both occasions her four-year-old son had an allergic reaction and had to be hospitalised. “The people putting the scaffolding up around the tower are wearing protective clothing, but the dust is falling into our flat,” she said.
Six months pregnant, she is worried about toxic substances in the dust. “My son gets sick every time I go there – last time he couldn’t breathe. It can’t be a coincidence.” For a while the family was in a hotel, but her children were told off by hotel staff for running around. "///

A slightly expanded version of what Beinazir Lasharie actually said...

[Rockrose]

As it happens I agree with the council, they cannot expect to leave their flats or houses empty for this amount of time.
If they are still traumatised from the incident then they move out of the area and rent privately getting the help any other member of the public would.
However as is often the case with this poster - there is an underlying message in his post as has been pointed out by other posters.
I suspect that had the persons involved been the opposite of what they are he would be jumping up and down foaming at the mouth at their treatment.

[Rockrose]

Sorry retro I misread it - happens to the best off us.
Sanmac please go and stir elsewhere.

[retrocop]

No problem. Thank you. :-)