Is Brexit Only A Uk Problem?

[Khandro]

We watch the excellent Jeff Taylor's videos most evenings (he usually makes one a day) last night's was a particularly a good one, outlining the current state of the EU and its aspirations;

[Baldric]

Seem to remember you having a sex change a while back gulliver

[retrocop]

When he/she opens her mouth , it seems only to change whichever foot was previously in there

[ladybirder]

From Gulliver who joined as a woman but is now ..... I was going to put man but .....?

[cassa333]

This is probably one of the only times I’m going to agree with Zac...

He was an immensely boring orator.

That other bloke that was posted about a couple of days ago had more about him.

Anyway Brexit is only a problem for the UK because, as NJ says MPs are seeing it as damage limitation rather than the opportunity it is.

They spend so much time on the supposed damage that MIGHT occlude that they haven’t focused on the benefits.

As for the EU. It’s up to them to see the benefits that a close alliance with the UK is a benefit.

[Old_Geezer]

A reasonable summing up. They're going for an unelected United State of Europe run by elite in the EU elite network. The only questions being how gradually they go/how long it'll take; and whether the EU will exist long enough to achieve that clear aim.

[The_Rim_Greaper]

Once we are out the mission creep will carry on unabated...they will do whatever they can to stop anybody else leaving (good luck with that)...they know they need to get an eussr military in place with loyal leaders that will happily help dismantle national military loyalties, and the first use of their military will be against provinces that want independance ...oh there will be big trouble down the line...these are some of the most dangerous people since WW2

they will have their secret agendas,plans, time scales etc for total domination and control hidden from prying eyes but the top bananas will know what they are...yet another european empire that is doomed to failure sooner or later one way or another

[EDDIE51]

As far as I remember we joined the 'Common Market' ,NOT the European Union. The Common Market was what its name suggests a common market place to buy and sell goods. It was NOT a political union.

[New Judge]

"As far as I remember we joined the 'Common Market' ,NOT the European Union. The Common Market was what its name suggests a common market place to buy and sell goods. It was NOT a political union."

But Eddie, as I recall, both before the referendum and in the period since you have been critical of those who voted to leave (giving your reasons as the effect leaving would have on the industries your family members work in). Many "Leavers" on here gave, among the reasons for their decision, exactly the point you raise above. Have you seen the Light?

[Old_Geezer]

I've often been informed that citizens of the countries in the EEC when we joined were well aware of the federalist agenda. Here, when the first referendum was held, whenever the "leave" camp claimed it was more than a trade arrangement they were shouted down as spreading lies and propaganda. Folk around both then and now knew better when they voted in the last referendum, wiser for the experience they wouldn't be fooled like that a second time; they well understood the downsides of this particular arrangement.

[jim360]

I am not aware of anyone who seriously believed that Brexit was "only" a UK problem. Still, we are at the epicentre, so to speak.

[New Judge]

"Here, when the first referendum was held, whenever the "leave" camp claimed it was more than a trade arrangement they were shouted down as spreading lies and propaganda."

Here you can see what we were told in 1975, OG:

http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm

A brief snippet:

The aims of the Common Market are:

- To bring together the peoples of Europe.

- To raise living standards and improve working conditions.

- To promote growth and boost world trade.

- To help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world.

- To help maintain peace and freedom.

The pamphlet makes interesting reading and there are many parallels between its contents and the campaign led by the government in 2016. Absent from the pamphlet are the very things OG mentions and in particular the decision making process of the "Common Market" outlined in 1975 is vastly different to today.

The electorate was conned in 1975. I was among those who were gullible as, to my eternal shame, I voted to remain. My excuse is that I was young and naive. It is clear that they came close to being conned again 41 years later. Fortunately there were enough people around who were not so easily duped.