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It's Starting To Look A Little Bleak Again For The Brexiteers.
Heseltine, Major, Clegg , and Blair. all calling for a referendum on the conditions for leaving, if we ever do?.
Even talking about a second referendum.
Even talking about a second referendum.
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"There's your answer: nobody wants the border to be "hard", but both accept that it would be necessary to do so without some form of arrangement that -- as I say -- squares the circle. "
That may be the answer to some question or other, Jim, but it's not the answer to mine. Interestingly the The Rt. Hon Dr. Julian Lewis, Conservative MP for New Forest East since 1997, asked the very same question at PM's questions this afternoon. Presumably he’s talking as much rubbish as I am because as far as I know he received no satisfactory answer either.
At present it is up to individual nations to police their borders as they see fit. The EU has no responsibility and no authority to do so. If neither country is going to set up a border and police it I fail to see what problem it is that the UK government must seek to address. The UK clearly sees no problem with an open border so if Ireland – perhaps “encouraged” by their EU masters - do perhaps they should come up with some ideas to cure a problem that can easily be addressed by existing methods if the EU were to agree to them. Vast quantities of goods enter the EU from outside every day with virtually no interception and it is not beyond the wit of man to deal similarly with the pitiful amount of goods crossing the Irish border.
Incidentally, I quite agree that this problem was identified before the referendum. But it was certainly not highlighted – even by the Remain camp - as a potential deal breaker. I maintain that the issue is being weaponised by the EU simply to prolong the UK’s captivity in some sort of customs union.
That may be the answer to some question or other, Jim, but it's not the answer to mine. Interestingly the The Rt. Hon Dr. Julian Lewis, Conservative MP for New Forest East since 1997, asked the very same question at PM's questions this afternoon. Presumably he’s talking as much rubbish as I am because as far as I know he received no satisfactory answer either.
At present it is up to individual nations to police their borders as they see fit. The EU has no responsibility and no authority to do so. If neither country is going to set up a border and police it I fail to see what problem it is that the UK government must seek to address. The UK clearly sees no problem with an open border so if Ireland – perhaps “encouraged” by their EU masters - do perhaps they should come up with some ideas to cure a problem that can easily be addressed by existing methods if the EU were to agree to them. Vast quantities of goods enter the EU from outside every day with virtually no interception and it is not beyond the wit of man to deal similarly with the pitiful amount of goods crossing the Irish border.
Incidentally, I quite agree that this problem was identified before the referendum. But it was certainly not highlighted – even by the Remain camp - as a potential deal breaker. I maintain that the issue is being weaponised by the EU simply to prolong the UK’s captivity in some sort of customs union.
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And John Major.
Black Wednesday occurred in the United Kingdom on 16 September 1992, when John Major's Conservative government was forced to withdraw the pound sterling from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM) after it was unable to keep the pound above its agreed lower limit in the ERM.
And B liar, enough said.
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And John Major.
Black Wednesday occurred in the United Kingdom on 16 September 1992, when John Major's Conservative government was forced to withdraw the pound sterling from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM) after it was unable to keep the pound above its agreed lower limit in the ERM.
And B liar, enough said.
No more bleak that it ever was. Yesterday's men and their ridiculous views are of no interest/consequence. No matter how much publicity the media give them.
The issue at present is, as it always has been since kicking off Article 50 (and before), the EU's refusal to progress anything. At present they know the border issue is only something they can solve but all they do is claim it's not their problem and in almost 2 years have come up with nothing acceptable. Having the cheek to insist that the UK comes up with a solution they will accept (as if) knowing that no one is going to give the border agreement priority over controlling one's own nation so on exit it's out of the UK's hands. On exit we can leave our side open but it requires the RoI and EU to come up with a system/agreement that keeps them 'border happy'. Only they can do that but instead suggest sarcastically that the UK has part of it remain under EU control. What a bunch of unmentionables. Even May's capitulation offer which would have caused uproar in her party, parliament, and the country, had it progressed, was rejected.
No, the EU, and their supporters who encourage them, are forcing the no-deal; like it or not. Call that bleak if you want. Ultimately it's taking the tempoary hit that the EU is forcing, and then rising again in a much more acceptable new situation.
The issue at present is, as it always has been since kicking off Article 50 (and before), the EU's refusal to progress anything. At present they know the border issue is only something they can solve but all they do is claim it's not their problem and in almost 2 years have come up with nothing acceptable. Having the cheek to insist that the UK comes up with a solution they will accept (as if) knowing that no one is going to give the border agreement priority over controlling one's own nation so on exit it's out of the UK's hands. On exit we can leave our side open but it requires the RoI and EU to come up with a system/agreement that keeps them 'border happy'. Only they can do that but instead suggest sarcastically that the UK has part of it remain under EU control. What a bunch of unmentionables. Even May's capitulation offer which would have caused uproar in her party, parliament, and the country, had it progressed, was rejected.
No, the EU, and their supporters who encourage them, are forcing the no-deal; like it or not. Call that bleak if you want. Ultimately it's taking the tempoary hit that the EU is forcing, and then rising again in a much more acceptable new situation.
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