Police Officers Sacked For Telling Lies, Some Say They Should Have Been Imprisoned, What Do You Think?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6304665/Three-lying-police-officers-claimed-suspect-left-paralysed-walked-police-van-sacked.html

[retrocop]

Give it a rest spath. No one is trying to silence you. We have had enough of people playing the victim today. Keep posting. You'll find me a lot in the joke section. I have a great SOH

[spathiphyllum]

Oh don't get me wrong retro, i do not feel victimised by any means.. Unlike the poor chap in the news article ;)

[retrocop]

Sadly I don't think he feels much at all but we don't know who was at fault for that do we?

[Peter Pedant]

what do I think?
I think dear sweet AOG should read his Daily Mail before putting pen to paper.
it was a civil case and so prison was not an option
( we have had this point before you know not once but again and again and again.....)

Never volunteer yourself as a witness at any incident.
surely that should be - "Never volunteer yourself as a witness at any incident unless you were there"
however as from a policeman
"Never volunteer yourself as a witness at any incident. "
seems to be par for the course - I wasnt there guv - I didnt see narfin - and is probably better advice

They said he walked to the ambulance and the video shows he was being dragged to the ambulance with flaccid legs.
( so er yes his legs were facing the wrong way as some one puts it earlier )
and then they lied about it

and yes his neck must have been broken before he was dragged to the ambulance.

and so it all goes down to video

[Peter Pedant]

// so er yes his legs were facing the wrong way as some one puts it earlier //

his legs were facing the wrong way as some one picturesquely puts it earlier - sozza

I mean earlier in the day - an arab said
I turned around and his head fell off
which is kinda rought treatment for someone who went in to the Saudi consulate for a marriage licence
er just saying

[kvalidir]

I actually think they ought to have been jailed, because although there is nothing to suggest that they caused any injury to the victim, they lied about everything to do with the arrest and journey in the hope that they would save themselves from any action regarding their negligence. You may think being sacked is enough but is it? If you allow Police Officers to lie with impunity where does that end? Suppose, and this is purely hypothetical, one of them beat up a suspect, would the others cover for him? they have shown themselves to be self serving liars so the answer has to be possibly, and we can't have that. Police Officers have to be above and beyond any reproach even in the difficult job they do, and to lie is a gross breach of what is expected of them and a corruption of public office, so yes i think they should have been jailed as a deterrent to other officers who might be likeminded.

[retrocop]

What charge that is currently on the statue books would you use kvalidir?

[Mamyalynne]

The difference is Kval in your hypothetical case there would have been criminal charges to be brought.

[spathiphyllum]

the man broke his neck during a scuffle with cops and bodyguards.. IE in my pinion 4 on one and surprise surprise he got his neck broke.. By who? How? these are the important figures. Clearly the police knew he was in a bad way as they were involved in the scuffle, then then conspired to keep what happened to themselves.

Corruption at its pinnacle. But yes, cops are above the law. If it was 4 civvies and 1 police officer, the situation would also be different and i think thoroughly perused.

[retrocop]

FGS. This has been debated ad nauseum before. The police officers have committed No Criminal offence to be charged and sent to prison.
They have falsified their report of the account in their pocket book and possibly neglect of duty.Both are discipline offences and have been punished internally by the maximum sentence of dismissal.
No matter how much baying for a pound of flesh the matter has been dealt with after due investigation.

[anotheoldgit]

Peter Pedant

/// I think dear sweet AOG should read his Daily Mail before putting pen to paper.
it was a civil case and so prison was not an option ///

I think you should go to specsavers as you have read something again that does not exist.

No one said that a person can be sent to jail in a civil case.

The question was quite clear ie should they have been imprisoned?

Obviously for all but you it seems, a person has to be found guilty in a court of law before being sent to prison.

[kvalidir]

Well this was a civil case so clearly none in this instance Retro, however there is a duty of rescue established under tort law, plus 'Misconduct in public office'.
The elements of the offence are summarised in Attorney General's Reference No 3 of 2003 [2004] EWCA Crim 868.

The offence is committed when:

a public officer acting as such;
wilfully neglects to perform his duty and/or wilfully misconducts himself;
to such a degree as to amount to an abuse of the public's trust in the office holder;
without reasonable excuse or justification.

It is reasonable to assume that a police officer would be considered a 'public officer' under these terms, as no fixed description exists and each is investigated on a case by case basis.

And of course if they then lie about it under oath or give false statements ' perverting the course of justice' and 'perjury', which I think is probably enough to be going on with tbh.

[retrocop]

This is getting tedious and spath will get really dizzy going round in circles. Like danny earlier,I give up.

[spathiphyllum]

here here

[kvalidir]

The point I was trying to make though Mamy was (nothing to do with either incident actually) but if they are content to lie about one thing they are likely content to lie about anything which makes them unsuited for office. Period.

[Mamyalynne]

Which is why I'm pleased they were sacked.

[kvalidir]

Indeed and me x

[Deskdiary]

"then try silence me"
Nobody is trying to silence you, but when you post utter nonsense you must be prepared that people will call you out for being a prat.

[Peter Pedant]

// they are likely content to lie about anything which makes them unsuited for office.//

hi Kally my little sweet
how good of you to think of English freedoms when there is the gunfire of Freedom is audible from your windows
( you arent in a log cabin are you - regards to Red Neck and his frenz)

yes well spotted there is malfeasance in public office
and this is a crim and they werent charged with that ....

I am not sure if they were expecting the video the viddie of the injured man with his ( in that memorable picturesque phrase ) feet being dragged along the wrong way by the police

and dear sweet AOG has realised the process was civil
and still plaintively asks: should they have been imprisoned ?

well no AOG old fella - not without due legal process of course !
( er that would be charging, indicting, and bringing the case and winning!)

[spathiphyllum]

"Nobody is trying to silence you, but when you post utter nonsense you must be prepared that people will call you out for being a prat."


you would be a *** teacher.