Johnson Calls For Another Referendum

[spathiphyllum]

Jo Johnson has resigned as a transport minister, saying the country is "barrelling towards an incoherent Brexit" and calling for another referendum.

https://news.sky.com/story/jo-johnson-resigns-as-transport-minister-over-incoherent-brexit-11549402?fbclid=IwAR1xNWiUpLzdiOWZYa1Yvf9Cec3JxNWCa-jBD52WJVUWsNKqal4VZOfJPF0

[Jackdaw33]

I suppose he's right in one sense, May has made a right dog's breakfast of this.

[Theland]

I am afraid, really afraid, of being tied up to the EUSSR forever.
So Undemocratic!
Why would a democrat want this? Totally baffled!

[andy-hughes]

The interesting aspect of the requests for a second referendum is that they are based on the entirely spurious notion that the British electorate know more about Brexit now, than when they voted for it.

That of course is complete nonsense.

What we get is editorialised media information from outlets which each have their own slant for their own reasons.

The notion that the average voter has anything other than a tenuous grasp of incredibly complex negotiations is farcical - leaving aside the fact that, by definition, negotiations are fluid and constantly changing, and nothing has been settled at all yet.

The electorate cannot be expected to understand the complexities of this situation, that's why we vote for a government to sort it out for us. We have to trust the government to get the best deal they can - and it is entirely in their interests to do so - and wait until we have something to consider - not fanny around with another vote for something which has been democratically decided - whether the Remainers like it or not.

[jim360]

The Remainers can only "get what they want" if the people vote for it.

What's to fear, then, about another referendum? Either the Brexiteers win again, in which case hurry for you, or the Remainers win... in which case, presumably, the nation has changed its mind.

[kvalidir]

^^ Ditto^^

[douglas9401]

No need to waste any more money on enriching experts, charlatans, liars and snake-oil salesmen with another vote.

The politicians will solve the problem by abandoning the whole farce, when they manage to locate their courage that is.

[jim360]

Of course, there's more than a little cynicism in my support for a second referendum. However, it may be the only way out of the impasse that awaits us. MPs are charged with looking after the best interests of the country. If they can't agree on what that is, what choice is there but to go back to the people? Unless you are proposing that the ends of Brexit justify the means, then it stands to reason that it may be better to revisit the decision if there is no agreement on how to proceed.

[tonyav]

Best of 3,5,7 etc until the right result !

[Old_Geezer]

Another referendum would be a) a waste of public money, and b) a renouncement by government of their duty to govern. It's a non-starter.

[gulliver1]

I want another Referendum Spath,because this time the public { I hope } will know what they are voting for.

[naomi24]

I knew what I was voting for the first time - and it wasn't for what we're getting or for a second referendum.

[Zacs-Master]

Yes, it’s looking more like a Pyrrhic victory for leave voters all the time.

[dannyk13]

May has no chance of getting the deal, in its present form, through parliament.

[Zacs-Master]

She’s got the hurdle of getting the cabinet to agree on Tuesday first. Meanwhile back at the ranch, Jo Johnson is running around drumming up support for, as Danny says, parliament to block it. It’s rumoured that he even has the support of his brother who was the opposite camp to him due to them both being dismayed at the way TM has handled things. If Jo can swing Boris, he may well awing some other hard line brexiteers.

[Old_Geezer]

Don't worry, we have a backstop. It's called 'hard Brexit'.

[dannyk13]

ZM, I don't think Boris will support the idea of a referendum,he just wants May to ditch her present plan and come up with something more in line with what we voted for, a complete break away from the EU.

[Zacs-Master]

I didn’t mention a referendum. I’m talking about parliament stopping the process. Pro EU Tory MPs have, to date, accepted a Brexit they do not want but many rebels will baulk at agreeing to what many think would be national suicide. A Tory government that sends the UK economy down the drain would collapse the Tory party and they’re not about to let that happen. Even the anti EU MPs who would not save the country might opt to save their party in such circumstances. A handful of extra Tory rebels could upset the government’s Brexit majority. Johnson knows this.

[dannyk13]

Sorry ZM, when you mentioned that Jo might swing his brother I assumed you meant with the referendum.

[Zacs-Master]

No need to apologise, danny. If I’d voted leave I’d be even angrier than I am as a remain voter, at the way the whole thing has been handled but, as I’ve said many times before, it was always on the cards with a majority pro EU Govt.

[gulliver1]

It will not be problem to create a divided Britain it's simple, make all the leavers live up North, and the remainers live in the South, easy!. then get TRUMP to build us a wall. OK.