Brexit

[gulliver1]

DOMINIC RAAB , GOES!.

[gulliver1]

Take your pick , Second Referendum , or a Second General Election. The Brexiteers will lose the first option , and the Conservatives the second option, just get on with it.

[Old_Geezer]

You don't know either is so. Plus a leader change is another option.

[diddlydo]

When the economy nose-dives it will be the fault of the Brexiteers, many of whom just hadn't thought this thing through before they said "Leave".

[emmie]

gulliver you should calm down a bit, mind this frenzy doesn't result in you having some sort of seizure.....

[Canary42]

Brextremist Tories always wanted a chaotic "no deal" meltdown (so their mega-rich speculator mates could make a killing betting against Britain).

A few examples :-


• Jacob Rees-Mogg - setting up funds in Ireland to maintain access to the EU for his wealthy investment class mates.

• John Redwood - Advising investors to get their cash out of Britain before the Brexit crash, whilst simultaneously propagandising in favour of "no deal" Brexit in The S*n.

• Nigel Lawson - Applying for French residency so that he can maintain the personal benefits of Free Movement, while the British public lose theirs.

• Michael Ashcroft - Promoting Malta as a great destination for investors to move their cash when the Brexit meltdown hits.

• Nigel Farage - Bagging German passports for his kids so that they can continue to benefit from Free Movement while millions of British kids lose the travel/work/study opportunities that it provides.

• Jim Ratcliffe (Brexiteer and Britain's richest man) leaving the UK to set himself up in the tax haven of Monaco.

All of these right-wing Brexiteers have masses of wealth to protect themselves from the economic ruination of the rapidly approaching Tory Brexit shambles they helped to inflict on the rest of us.
But ensuring they're alright while the poor and ordinary carry the burden of their destructive economic policies has always been the Tory way hasn't it? Just look at austerity dogma.

[Old_Geezer]

The electorate doesn't need to betray itself. Allowing excess referendums after pushing fears and hoping for a flip-flop is the betrayal.

[grumpy01]

Who would you suggest as leader then OG? Because I don't see anyone any more capable of getting us a better deal than Theresa May.

[Old_Geezer]

:-) Ideally Farage; but practically Rees Mogg or Johnson would be better. Bit late in the day now, but at least neither would accept the betrayal plan claiming it's better than walking.

[naomi24]

Jim, //It's nowhere near as simple as you keep insisting. //

I haven't suggested it's simple. That's the second time you've mis-represented me on this thread. No change there.

Mrs May said, "No deal is better than a bad deal" so (despite the fact that she's stitched us up) that is an option.

[Kromovaracun]

"No deal is better than a bad deal" was a meaningless soundbite, though. As was pointed out by plenty of people at the time.

[jim360]

If Theresa May really believed that, she wouldn't offer up this deal. It was a bluff. The EU has called it.

[jim360]

Presenting what we should have done as "fulfilling our obligations and walking away" is implicitly referring to the process as simple -- or, at least, as far simpler than what has been done.

[naomi24]

//If Theresa May really believed that, she wouldn't offer up this deal.//

Yes, Jim, she would because she wants to keep us tied to the EU. Any deal will do for her.

[jim360]

You're still stuck to the idea that "no deal is better than a bad deal" was ever true, regardless of who uttered it. But it was not true, and it remains a lie. There's the conundrum that you've chosen not to face by accusing May of treason and/or duplicity; the truth is that she had no choice, and that nobody -- no matter their position -- would have been able to do any better.

[gulliver1]

Emmie 11.17 If I was a Brexit voter, or a Conservative voter , I think I would be worried about having a seisure at the moment , but I am neither, and also in very good health. Thank for being concerned.

[naomi24]

Jim, //the truth is that she had no choice, and that nobody -- no matter their position -- would have been able to do any better. //

Rubbish. She did have a choice. There is no reason we couldn't have fulfilled our obligations and waved goodbye. None whatsoever.

[jim360]

Have you read the draft agreement yet?

[jim360]

And, for that matter, have you listed what our obligations are?

[naomi24]

Actually, Jim, looking at what you’re saying from another angle, if the EU controls us to such an extent that we cannot decide to fulfil our obligations and leave, that’s an awful indictment on the EU and the unassailable power it wields over us. You sure you want to say that?

[naomi24]

No, I haven't read the draft agreement. I've been watching the antics in parliament on television.

As far as I can ascertain our primary obligations are financial. Who'd a guessed?