May To See Jean-Claude Junker On Brexit

[vetuste_ennemi]

What is the formal ceremony when the EU liege-lord gives audience to a tributary?

I do hope it's brief and not too distressing to Mrs May. Mind you, she has to date dealt with humilation with an admirable sangfroid. (Got a bit of the old froggy stuff in there. Like it? Remember ConcordE - E for England, E for Europe, E for Entente. E by gum , them were the days.)

[emmie]

not sure what you mean, them were the days, but what on earth did we do before the EEC, and the pernicious EU.

[dannyk13]

She is probably going to accept her thirty pieces of silver,

[dannyk13]

Emmie, we managed very well as we will again once we are free of the EU.

[emmie]

yes we did, but everyone seems to think the sky will fall in on us if we get up off the canvas and go.

[jim360]

What a pity that, at the same time we were "managing very well" outside the EU, we also spent the better part of 15 years begging desperately to be let into it.

[dannyk13]

The only people that think that are the scaremongering remainers.

[emmie]

we didn't beg, our politicians did.

[dannyk13]

JIm // we also spent the better part of 15 years begging desperately to be let into it.//
What a load of rubbish.We wanted to join an Economic Community not a united states of Europe.

[Prudie]

Exactly Danny, it was only about economics back then, not looking for a new ruler.

[jim360]

The EC was always heading towards a united European state. Churchill thought so, the architects of the ECSC said so explicitly.

You can say "rubbish" all you like, but it was there, in Black and White. It's not my fault you weren't looking.

The politicians then knew that the UK was better off as part of a united Europe. The ones today know the same.

[emmie]

we fought two wars to get rid of Germany, now we are tied to their bloody apron strings.

[-Talbot-]

Evidence of this 'begging' jim

[retrocop]

// we also spent the better part of 15 years begging desperately to be let into it.//
And the reasons I recall for that were more pathetic than remainers reasons.
Cheap plonk (Wine Lakes) and Butter (mountains). I only recall Heath hell bent on getting us to join le club and he has been reviled since as almost the worst Tory leader.

[dannyk13]

Jim, as usual another pile of garbage.

[emmie]

the people of UK didn't ask to join a United States of Europe did they?

[jim360]

I'm thinking particularly of the interactions between McMillan and de Gaulle -- and yes, they really did amount, at points, to almost literal "begging". You're welcome to read into that story yourself, if you like, Talbot.

Rather than brand what I'd said "garbage", would you care to provide evidence to the contrary? It's a fact that the United Europe was always, clearly, on the agenda, from the very beginning. It's therefore patently obvious that people knew this. So where, exactly, is the garbage?

[jim360]

MacMillan*, I mean.

[emmie]

not the people i speak with, they are adamant that they didn't sign up to be constantly dictated to by these people in Brussels and want out.

[dannyk13]

Jim //It's a fact that the United Europe was always, clearly, on the agenda, from the very beginning//
Proof of this please.

[jim360]

What did they sign up for, then? But it's by the by, really; I'm talking about the people who led the decision, not the voters who were, to some extent, lied to in 1975 (and then again, in 2016).