What Has May Promised The Spanish To Get Them On Side?

[cassa333]

And... Why on earth wouldn’t the EU 27 agree the deal.

Junker and co wrote it so they get the very best out of it and don’t have the pesky British putting their oar in.

Win win for the EU. Lose Lose for the UK.

[bookbinder]

Something here about the UK/Spain agreement:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/24/brexit-may-gives-way-over-gibraltar-after-spains-veto-threat

[Togo]

FISHING RIGHTS! That is what.

[cassa333]

And the EU demand quicker access to the fishing waters.

How can any sane person think this is what we should be doing?

[fender62]

what i dont get, is why gibraltar is wanted so bad, let them have it, and northern ireland, dead weight..im sure our public services would be better off without them. northern ireland mmm all isee is the orange order..who again are not british anyway, catholic protestants
blah blah, all we need now is muslims demanding sharia areas in the uk...

[New Judge]

Strange that it hasn't been mentioned just what concessions Mrs May has capitulated to now. However, some idea can be gained when the Spanish premier announced that this is the "biggest thing for Gibraltar in 300 years".

Quite what the status of Gibraltar has to do with our (so-called) leaving the EU is a little unclear. Gibraltar will leave the EU along with the UK and since it is not part of the Customs Union, nor Schengen, nor is it subject to the Common Agricultural Policy or the EU's VAT regime. In short, it has very little to do with Spain or the EU what goes on there. I wonder what can it be that the UK has agreed to lose now in order to secure a "deal that is in everybody's best interests"?

[fender62]

i do know gibraltar is used as a cleaning centre for dirty financial fraud

[Togo]

// all isee is the orange order..who again are not british anyway,//

Nearly right Fender. Not English. The troubles in NI emanate entirely from the Scottish connections and ancestry. (Look at Glasgow). But like all things Scottish...…..the English either take the blame or foot the bill.

[-Talbot-]

catholic protestants...what's dem den?

[jim360]

Gibraltar wants to remain part of the UK. That alone is reason to keep it. Same with the Falklands.

It's staggering what some people are prepared to give up in order to leave the EU quickly. Gibraltar, Northern Ireland, Scotland as well...

[cassa333]

I have to agree with you on that Jim.

The UK is the sum total of its parts and to hive off bits of it for the illusion of a quicker exit is wrong.

We need someone in charge that can stand firm and stand up for the UK and not capitulate to everyone over everything.

[THECORBYLOON]

Since when has Gibraltar been part of the UK?

[-Talbot-]

They're dead weight, Jim...get rid of them all.

The UK will stand alone...with ...just er... England.

[jim360]

Since 1713, although strictly it's a "British Overseas Territory", rather than part of the UK.

[THECORBYLOON]

FENDER if they're not British, how come so many joined up to fight for Britain in the World Wars?

[fender62]

jim360, yes cut them all loose..dead weight anyway, and all british x territories, falklands mmm unless there is oil near it, let the argies have, they are civilized you know, are all the people on the dole there
as i do not see any industry there...

[ichkeria]

There are elections in Andalusia just now aren’t there? Spain doesn’t want Gibraltar included in the trade agreement. It looks as though Gibraltar will not now be included as part of the territory in any future negotiations with the EU.
I’m struggling to see how this is going to help the PM in her battles with the DUP.
Spain cannot actually veto Brexit: despite the threats. What it can do is scupper future deals after Brexit. If May has given in on this then I’m a little bit staggered.

[jim360]

Luckily for us all, fender, it's not your decision.

[-Talbot-]

Fender...you sound like one of those rhyming things bainbrig keeps posting.

[New Judge]

"Since when has Gibraltar been part of the UK?"

It isn't. It's a British Overseas Territory ceded to Great Britain in 1713 under one of the treaties of Utrecht. There's no reason why it should be surrendered or have its status altered in any way but we'll have to wait and see what Mrs May has agreed to on our behalf in order to appease our European "partners".

The poor Gibraltarians are in a bit of a cleft stick - they voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU but also to remain as a BOT. If Mrs May's deal is accepted they will undoubtedly be granted their first wish but what she has agreed to may well jeopardise their second.

[fender62]

then let gibraltar become their own country and put it to the electorate..they cannot have it both ways, good for britain no more pensions to pay, for what is a basically non important rock, the days of sailing ships and empire are long gone. lets see how they survive without uk support.