Ministers Tour Uk To Sell Mrs May’S Deal

[naomi24]

Why? The people they are attempting to sell to have no say so what does she imagine this will achieve?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46477036

[New Judge]

"For all her faults (I am no fan), Theresa May did not create this mess."

I beg your pardon but she did. She stepped into the breach to implement Brexit after Mr Cameron sailed off into the sunset. Nobody forced her to. She began by saying that "No Deal" is better than a bad deal but then proceeded to ensure that the UK would not, under any circumstances under her watch, leave with no deal. The EU realised this at a very early stage, her principle negotiating card was burnt and the rest is history. She has viewed Brexit from the start as a problem to be overcome rather than an opportunity and has sought to keep the UK aligned with the EU and its institutions as far as possible. Her "deal" is Brexit in name only and actually commits the country - and in particular Northern Ireland - to worse conditions than it already endures. This situation is entirely her fault.

[JF85]

naomi24: So, the reasons you think the majority will be better off, ...?

[JF85]

New Judge: The reasons we, the majority, will be better off?

[Old_Geezer]

The obvious reason, which should go without saying, is that we regain control of ourselves and are worthy of calling ourselves a nation once more. That is a vital prerequisite before anything else is considered. Once we have that we tackle any disruption caused by this necessary move until even the dissenters realise we didn't have as many problems as some of them claimed, and what there was wasn't there for as long as some of them claimed; and we are, as a nation, riding high once more.

[Old_Geezer]

And the reasons you keep asking a question that's been answered umpteen times ?

[naomi24]

JF85, oh, I see. You think Leavers are the dissenters - even though they're in the majority. How does that work then?

[Jackdaw33]

There is no evidence that Johnson, Raab &co backed the Deal. It was passed by a majority but I;m sure it was not unanimous.

[JF85]

naomi24: I use dissenters in the sense of those who do not agree with the status quo. We are currently members of the EU, so those who wish to leave are dissenting. There was no insult intended in the choice of word, whatever I think of their views.

[jim360]

Cabinet functions on the principle of collective responsibility, which means that, at least for a couple of days, Davis and Johnson were technically in support of the Chequers agreement, and Raab the Withdrawal agreement. If they were not *actually* in support, they should have said so before rather than after, rather than allow Theresa May to come forward and state (effectively) that the entire Cabinet was behind her on this path.

That's the sort of thing I mean.

[Old_Geezer]

That's the issue with wanting to support the party and cabinet when it clashes with the policy you have no desire to support. At what point does one decide the nation is more important than the government, and opt out ? In reality they continued to support the government for a few days, and it merely looked like they were supporting the policy.

[youngmafbog]

"ather than allow Theresa May to come forward and state (effectively) that the entire Cabinet was behind her on this path. "

She is a liar, everyone knows that and these three proved it.

She tried bullying everyone, a knee jerk reaction at chequers would have looked petulant and I am pretty sure you would now be on here saying so.

[Jackdaw33]

I have only one thing to say, Ditch the wretched woman (AB will not allow me to type a word which rhymes with ditch). As has been pointed out, she is dragging her party and our country into the gutter.

[dannyk13]

Has she sent all her ministers or just those who are remainers.

[Bigbad]

A clutching at straws exercise.

I wrote to my MP last week.
He’s a leaver representing a leave constituency, but who thinks the deal is OK.
Doubtless, Sir Farquhar Posh Bloke Smythe is doing the same as the other MP’s who campaigned to leave, but support the deal, (Gove, Leadsome et al) which is looking out for their own interests rather than the people they represent.

Every time that bloody May woman gets asked a question, all she ever does is chant her “this achieves what people voted for” mantra.

No it doesn’t.

And I wish she would stop referring to the other EU countries as “our friends and neighbours.”

[Jackdaw33]

She sounds more like Ted Heath by the minute, and look what a disaster he turned out to be.

[New Judge]

“You say that we will not implement the "backstop", and that the EUSSR has also said that they will not either. So why is it there?”

It’s there Togo so that the EU can continue to use the Irish Border issue as a lever in any future trade negotiations. “Let us have access to your fishing grounds or we will insist the backstop is implemented”. Or “Curtail your rights to do worldwide trade deals or we will insist the backstop is implemented”.

“New Judge: The reasons we, the majority, will be better off?”

I didn’t vote to leave thinking I would be better off (by which I presume you mean financially). In fact it played no part in my deliberations whatsoever. It seemed obvious to me before the vote (and is even more obvious to me now) that the EU was not going to go out of its way to make our departure easy or to enable us to retain the benefits of membership without hefty concessions (though I did not envisage quite the complete capitulation to all their demands shown by Mrs May). Unfortunately our spineless politicians did not share my views.

“I think it's especially shameful and disgraceful, on the parts of Davis, Boris, and Raab, to have backed May in cabinet *before* resigning, rather than resigning without supporting her.”

For once I absolutely agree with Jim (NJ retires for his afternoon nap) :-)

[Khandro]

As I remember it, she didn't say the cabinet was entirely behind her (Chequers) plan, she used some weaselly words like 'we have reached an agreement' - hiding the fact that she had agreed to disagree, with notably David Davis for one.
Given the fact that they had been instructed at Chequers to hand in their mobile phones at the door and (unbelievably) told that any one resigning would have to leave their cabinet cars there, and go back to London in a taxi, made her sound more like Joseph Stalin than a British prime minister.

[Jackdaw33]

May is mortally wounded. She cannot survive.

[mushroom25]

//3. Early campaigning for a second referendum.

If it's the third one, then much as I might like to see that referendum....//

..and if the 2nd referendum is an exact repeat of the first, what then? best of 3 Jim? or 5? or 7?

[max137]

Agree with Danny desperation and it will not work I think a lot of people are disillusioned with politicians and politics whatever their leanings.