Ecj - Uk Can Unilaterally Revoke Article 50

[Kromovaracun]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-court-case-ecj-ruling-article-50-theresa-may-deal-uk-european-court-justice-latest-a8675541.html?amp

It's official: so long as we do it before a Withdrawal Agreement has entered into force, we can end Brexit unilaterally if we so desire.

This raises a few questions:

1) Should we? Will we? Has it been the plan all along?

2) Has the EU shot itself in the foot with this ruling? It seems to allow basically any disgruntled member to threaten leaving and renegotiate their membership securely.

At any rate, it's a pretty extraordinary precedent.

[Old_Geezer]

If they do danny then they will never be trusted with anything again. It'll be a devastating blow to our governmental system. And unclear what reaction it would provoke (but I may invest in shares in yellow vest production). So one can't see many of them being that foolish.

[ToraToraTora]

mushroom: "the shortest possible time to set up a referendum is 22 weeks" how do you arrive at that? they could do it in much less time than that.
"Postponement will require unanimous agreement of the 27 Eu member states." - err no, this ruling specifically says that we would not need their approval.
With my cynical head on, it looks to me like the ECJ are doing their best to make it easy for UK to defy the referendum result.

[cassa333]

Most MOs hate a no deal as much as this deal so will be desperate to do the unthinkable. Which is to stop it in its tracks.

[jim360]

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"Postponement will require unanimous agreement of the 27 Eu member states." - err no, this ruling specifically says that we would not need their approval.
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Not quite, TTT. To extend the notification period requires consent of all member states. On the other hand, to extend the period and *then* revoke the notification after all requires only other members' consent for the first step.

[Old_Geezer]

And then restart in once someone with gumption is voted in ? Seems a foolish thing to do.

[jim360]

A General Election that led to, say, Nigel Farage's presumed new party being installed in government would be a pretty clear mandate for restarting everything, yes.

This is why it's not actually great for the EU, either. Nations could periodically start, stop, and start again the A50 process, if they wanted to drive a really hard bargain.

[cassa333]

The only way to drive a really hard bargain now is to leave on no deal and start negotiating properly from the go.

Anything else we and we will be held to ransom by France etc over fishing rights.

[Kromovaracun]

This ruling seems far more likely to create problems for the EU in the long run (indeed they don't seem happy about it at all). In fact it seems to make the 2-year time limit in A50 effectively redundant. It's not exactly made things easier for the UK either.

[mushroom25]

//how do you arrive at that?//
from this. https://constitution-unit.com/2018/08/30/how-long-would-it-take-to-hold-a-second-referendum-on-brexit/
and the sums take no account of recesses and other procedural delays - like for instance a GE.

[emmie]

none of this is easy, its hard flipping work. Lets see what happens tomorrow, you never know this deal might go through........

[ichkeria]

It isn’t the EU which has made this ruling: they did not want this.

[ichkeria]

We should unilaterally revoke it: the reality of Brexit does not appeal even to Brexiters it seems.
I don’t think we will though.

[Jackdaw33]

If you want civil disorder, riots and bloodshed on the streets then go ahead and revoke A50.

[ichkeria]

There would not be any such thing jack.
The reason there would not be is that people tend to resort to violence when they feel they are or will be materially better off or they can something tangible they they will lose. I’d suggest in the case of Brexit that as no one really seems able to agree on what if anything they’d be losing then that doesn’t apply. Most young people are against leaving anyway.
I agree that some would be very miffed there is no doubt

[Togo]

Let's get this right......the UK can revoke Article 50 without the consent of any of the other EUSSR "members" but for the last 40 years we have not been allowed to fart without the permission of all of them. Funny old World.

[Togo]

As if we would lock the manacles again and throw away the key to boot. Meanwhile the pyramid scheme disintegrates as we watch. Paris in flames, the Belgian Government on the verge of collapse, Sweden( a model EUSSR state) in ruins, Italy in turmoil, Germany ready to cut and run whilst insisting that France gives up it's, soon to be, seat on the UN council to the EUSSR(means them) instead and Germany and France make 10s of thousands of applications to deport illegal immigrants to the first safe Country. Remember how they sneered when we pointed out that the illegals at Calais should be returned to their Country of entry? Panicking a bit now they can't funnel them slyly to the UK.

//The Belgian government has split apart after Prime Minister Charles Michel ignored the objections of his ruling coalition’s biggest party and insisted he would sign the UN migration pact..//

[gulliver1]

No agreement or permmision needed from the 27 EU members, for a second referendum. or to postpone article 50

[mushroom25]

//No agreement or permmision needed from the 27 EU members, for a second referendum. or to postpone article 50 //

you're only half right. see jim's post @ 11h20.

in any case, looks like tomorrow's vote is now cancel. presumably the PM is considering instead going back to Brussels and giving Barnier at-al a reet good handbagging….

[dannyk13]

Mushroom //in any case, looks like tomorrow's vote is now cancel.//
According to the news at noon a government spokesperson has insisted that the vote will go ahead tomorrow.