There’S Always Been Ugly Views About Brexit (From Both Sides)

[cassa333]

But now that an arch remainextremist has been called a nasty name suddenly it’s all getting a bit unnecessary.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46789601

I wouldn’t call Soubry a Nazi by any stretch of the imagination but I would call her an arrogant condescending *** who belittles leavers and her own constituents to a breath taking degree.

[Khandro]

//Behaviour likely to cause alarm, harassment or distress’. //

You'd have to lock up a lot of people if you were to carry that out to the letter, particularly in the vicinity of many football matches

[Khandro]

There are weird and ugly views coming out from the establishment too.
According to Chancellor Phillip Hammond, MPs who respect the outcome of the 2016 Referendum are “extremists.” Several of his conservative colleagues – most notably Nick Boles and Anna Soubry – have threatened to quit the party if democracy is actually upheld. Amber Rudd has started to agitate for a second referendum. The Guardian’s Polly Toynbee has labelled Tory Brexiteers ‘far right’ – a sure sign that the Remain side has lost the intellectual debate.

[ChillDoubt]

You'd have to lock up a lot of people if you were to carry that out to the letter, particularly in the vicinity of many football matches
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Depends on the environment, setting, context and the rights of a Policeman to use his judgement.
The abuse Soubry was receiving an officer would well be within their right to do so.

[Khandro]

Chill; //The abuse Soubry was receiving an officer would well be within their right to do so.//
Two wrongs don't make a right of course, but nothing happened when Jacob Rees-Mogg and his children were verbally abused on his own doorstep, and he was also on another occasion actually physically jostled at a student meeting.
She would have to press charges, and 'saying rude words' to someone wouldn't stand up in a court of law.

[Khandro]

and then this;
https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1068778/Piers-Morgan-Nigel-Farage-ITV-GMB-Anna-Soubry-abuse-Brexit-news-BBC-Sky-EU-Theresa-May

[ChillDoubt]

Chill; //The abuse Soubry was receiving an officer would well be within their right to do so.//
Two wrongs don't make a right of course, but nothing happened when Jacob Rees-Mogg and his children were verbally abused on his own doorstep, and he was also on another occasion actually physically jostled at a student meeting.
She would have to press charges, and 'saying rude words' to someone wouldn't stand up in a court of law.
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That’s why MP’s wrote to the Met Commissioner, pointing out an escalation since Rees-Mogg was abused, hence the Met are now doing what they’re actually paid for.
As for ‘standing up in a court of law’ I think you’ll find that if Soubry states she felt alarmed, harassed or distressed and a person was arrested I’m certain that it would!
Make all the excuses you like, Anna Soubry was abused and undoubtedly felt uncomfortable, vulnerable and exposed. TV footage bears that out.
Furthermore, it’s a summary offence so wouldn’t need to burden the judicial system to any great degree.

[youngmafbog]

The problem is where is the line?

This case was disgusting, as was JRM and Jezza years ago. But if all it takes is someone to claim they are vulnerable then it becomes an issue for free speech. And I suspect that is why Plod were reticent to intervene unless directly instructed to do so.

[ChillDoubt]

But if all it takes is someone to claim they are vulnerable then it becomes an issue for free speech.
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There’s a huge difference between free speech and a breach of Section 5 of the Public Order Act.
Free speech doesn’t allow you to verbally harass and abuse a person as they go about their daily life.
If you’re struggling to understand it YMB, an easy analogy would be to try and imagine your partner being accosted and surrounded by 6-7 unknown males and shouted at as he/she walked into work. Would you deem that free speech?
Or do you think your partner might feel alarmed and under threat?
I’ll await your answer with interest.

[Togo]

//Free speech doesn’t allow you to verbally harass and abuse a person as they go about their daily life. //

Do MPs have any "daily life" as such? Or do they live in secure gated compounds and environments unless "on duty"/

[Togo]

Just as a matter of point......her "daily life" in this instance appears to have been conducting an interview with the Beep Beep See EUSSR mouthpiece( using Westminster as a backdrop for gravitas you understand) as part of a Remainiac support campaign. Daily Life indeed. Fair Game instead. Sour Belly snotflake.

[Arksided]

Despicable behaviour by the protesters about her views, Scary and intimidating I've being to football games like that. However She's only miffed because she can't get a moat once we leave.

No wonder that Drip Cameron did a runner

[ChillDoubt]

Do MPs have any "daily life" as such? Or do they live in secure gated compounds and environments unless "on duty"/
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Depends really, Togo.
I find Soubry oily and odious to be honest but still, do you think it’s right for anyone to have to run that kind of gauntlet as they attend work? How would you feel if it was your missus being surrounded by a group of shouty blokes?
Being an MP/public figure doesn’t give the public carte blanche to accost and verbally abuse you as you enter the workplace, does it?
Plenty of people sniping at Soubry(which doesn’t bother me one jot) but not many answering the question I’ve posed.
All politicians in the making no less!

[vetuste_ennemi]

"Object to be called a fascist" said Ms Soubry. Totally understand.

Here's another mob-fest being supervised/observed/moderated{?) by the Metropolitan police:

[Togo]

//How would you feel if it was your missus being surrounded by a group of shouty blokes?
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I would be very concerned...…...for the blokes. "She who must be obeyed" would likely deck one or two. Sourbelly has been dishing out vitriol and malicious soundbites for years, and now she gets a bit back goes all precious on us. Bless

[naomi24]

V_e’s video at 00:10 Thu . She says she doesn’t understand why she’s getting the talking to. Neither do I.

[Togo]

"I travelled through some of the most dangerous parts of Europe- including Molenbeek, Belgium and the "Jungle" migrant camp in Calais France. But once I got to London I felt I would be safe, so dismissed my security detail. Little did I know that the left wing extremists in the UK would be the most violent people I encountered in Europe."

Lauren Southern...………

Makes you proud to be British.

[naomi24]

Frightening, Togo.

[Zacs-Master]

The main ‘shouty man’ has been found to have lived and worked in Spain, benefitting from freedom of movement rules introduced by the EU. He’s a moron.

[Togo]

Naomi, the truly "frightening" thing is...…...for years the left wing thugs and Antifa shock mobs have been gathering, at will, to make attacks on people who do not meet their exacting standards of procedural behavior or thought. No action was taken whilst the left wing acolytes, if not openly, rejoiced and revelled in the violent behaviour behind hand over smiles gestures and empty platitudes whilst calling it freedom of speech and right to protest. Now that they get a taste of their own we hear howls of confected anguish and calls for legislation and robust police action. We know what that means though do we not. One way action, surveillance of "selected" targets, and prosecution and incarceration of a distinct group. You know of what I speak. It is the future, it was predicted, it is promised.

[Khandro]

'Behind the incident of Anna Soubry being called a Nazi by a small group of Leave yobs beside College Green lies a classic Brexit sequence of events. For many months now, Remain protestors have infested that area. Their numbers are small, but they are well trained to insert themselves and their banners into relevant live television interviews, and have been praised by the Guardian for doing so. Never have I seen the BBC trying to exclude them from its shots, even when the protestors’ interventions have made it quite difficult for those being interviewed. Sometimes BBC interviewers have gestured on air towards the protestors as evidence of strong pro-Remain public feeling. Often BBC cameras have used cutaways of them to punctuate news items, to make the same point. Not surprisingly, the BBC’s behaviour has in turn provoked Leave protests, because the indulgence of the Remain stunts has helped skew the news. As soon as this one looked nasty, the BBC turned it into a major story about hate crime, involving the police, fanned by Mr Speaker Bercow. It is certainly unpleasant and stupid to call almost anyone a Nazi, but the rudeness to Ms Soubry does not reach the threshold of a threat to public order or incitement to violence ....'


Charles Moore in The Spectator, today.