There’S Always Been Ugly Views About Brexit (From Both Sides)

[cassa333]

But now that an arch remainextremist has been called a nasty name suddenly it’s all getting a bit unnecessary.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46789601

I wouldn’t call Soubry a Nazi by any stretch of the imagination but I would call her an arrogant condescending *** who belittles leavers and her own constituents to a breath taking degree.

[Kromovaracun]

The fact that there have been instances of radical left harassment/intimidation does not somehow make this excusable or welcome behaviour. Soubry was surrounded by thugs who used classic intimidation tactics against her.

[Khandro]

Kromo; I may stand corrected, but I don't recall your outcry when JRM and his children were verbally abused, or indeed when John McDonnell famously encouraged those who said they wanted to lynch Esther McVey.

[Togo]

//As soon as this one looked nasty, the BBC turned it into a major story about hate crime, involving the police, fanned by Mr Speaker Bercow.//

Therein lies the question Khandro. How complicit were the Beep Beep See in the "making" of this latest anti Brexit news story. They have progressed from reporting the news to carefully generating it to push a covert agenda. Who was the guy with Sour Belly seen handing something to her as they both grinned?

Err we know Kromo…….but where were the condemnations when it was the left wing yobs doing the intimidating? As I pointed out earlier, most of those displays of thuggery were welcomed with tacit pooh hoos and sly approval by the left wing. But now they seem to have become remarkably empathic and "concerned" about such behaviour. Why?

[ChillDoubt]

/How would you feel if it was your missus being surrounded by a group of shouty blokes?
//

I would be very concerned...…...for the blokes. "She who must be obeyed" would likely deck one or two. Sourbelly has been dishing out vitriol and malicious soundbites for years, and now she gets a bit back goes all precious on us. Bless
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Excusing thuggish behaviour and sidestepping the issue with a ‘joke’ doesn’t really cut it, unfortunately.
Even if Soubry has been ‘dishing out vitriol and malicious sound bites’ I don’t recall her doing it within the personal space of someone as they entered the workplace/went about their daily business.
Having vehemence for the woman doesn’t excuse what she was subjected to and trying to make justification for it is frankly inexcusable.
As I said I’m no fan of hers, far from it but nobody should be subjected to that but especially not a female.

[Togo]

//As I said I’m no fan of hers, far from it but nobody should be subjected to that but especially not a female. //

Why does her being "female" protect her from what her male counterparts have to endure. Indeed does her being female mean that we should expect better behaviour from her than male MPs? Is she "special" by dint of being female? If so where does that leave the male politicians or even the gender confused ones?

[Togo]

Further to that.....does the fact that she is a remoaner practitioner mean that she is extra special? I can't recall Mrs Thatcher ever being afforded such considerations, or asking for them, and she endured much worse for much longer and her family have done so since her death.

[jim360]

"...does the fact that she is a remoaner practitioner mean that she is extra special?"

It certainly shouldn't.

[ChillDoubt]

Why does her being "female" protect her from what her male counterparts have to endure.
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Regardless of the context, setting or scenario if you have no qualms over seeing a woman surrounded and verbally abused by 6-7 males in a state of heightened fervour then you’ve got a problem.
Make all the excuses you like, it was wrong and everyone knows it, that’s why it’s been widely condemned by all.

[ChillDoubt]

From Google:

But Labour MP Mary Creagh points to the murder of her colleague Jo Cox in June 2016 and argues that yesterday’s “really vile, misogynistic thuggery” was not an isolated incident.

Commons Speaker John Bercow also says he was “concerned” about protesters targeting female MPs and journalists, and has vowed to look into extra protection outside Parliament.
Backing the calls for action by the authorities, HuffPost’s Paul Waugh adds: “The police have a tough job trying to protect free speech while keeping the peace.

“But there’s clearly a big difference between robust heckling and the physical intimidation and verbal abuse that several have suffered in recent days.”


Pretty succinct.

[Khandro]

I ain't seen no "physical intimidation", where dat den?

[Togo]

I have looked back at the mornings posts on this thread and it is quite striking to observe that you are assiduously ignoring any uncomfortable questions concerning this event whilst at the same time managing to compartmentalise it then elevate it to something far greater than the relatively innocuous clash that it in fact was. It is but a poor imitation, by a couple of half wits, of some of the violent and criminal actions carried out by the left wing rent a mob sect. These previous events did not elicit in you, or indeed any of the band wagon hitch hikers that are now piping up with grave warnings and moralistic hubris. The final confirmation of your slanted opinion of course being the disingenuous attempt to link this minor spat with the murder of Joe Cox by an obviously mentally ill loner. Meehhh Shame on you.


Succinct enough for you?

[ChillDoubt]

Suspicions confirmed.
Cheers.

[Peter Pedant]

there must have been one ( MP) who stood his ground and heckled back surely ?

think of the Queen muvva ( that is the mother of her current blessed majesty - hey Olivia Coleman as Queen Anne is good innit?) being taunted touring a bomb site 1940
coming here in all your finery to show us poor folk and lord it over us ....

and she said - if you came to visit me you would wear your best wouldnt you?

Even Gordon Brown - that stupid woman - scored better than Anna

[Peter Pedant]

// HuffPost’s Paul Waugh adds: “The police have a tough job trying to protect free speech while keeping the peace. //

and they mostly dont even try ....

police protecting free speech - did he really write that ?

[Togo]

"If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning."
Catherine the Great

[ChillDoubt]

......and Bert has arrived, so: I’m out!

[Peter Pedant]

// it was wrong and everyone knows it, that’s why it’s been widely condemned by all.//

but not by the police on hand at the time - you must concede that
and she didnt squawk about it to them

( you know like Andrew Marshall - you're meant to be here to protect us - which cost him £250 000 in legal fees)

[Kromovaracun]

//Err we know Kromo…….but where were the condemnations when it was the left wing yobs doing the intimidating? ///

There were plenty, as I recall. If you don't believe that bad behaviour by far left activists somehow justifies what happened to Soubry, then I don't really see what the point of bringing it up is as it's not obviously relevant.

// I may stand corrected, but I don't recall your outcry when JRM and his children were verbally abused, or indeed when John McDonnell famously encouraged those who said they wanted to lynch Esther McVey.//

Of course I think those things are awful, Khandro. I don't remember either if I happened to comment on the JRM incident on this website, but you'll also see me condemning the same thing here and in plenty of other threads:

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1596545.html

It's a little infuriating that AB seems to consider people in favor of these things unless they specifically check in to confirm otherwise, though.

[Kromovaracun]

Also, just in the interests of accuracy, Thomas Mair was not found to be insane and the judge in his sentencing remarks found that his crime was politically motivated.

[Togo]

//Also, just in the interests of accuracy, Thomas Mair was not found to be insane and the judge in his sentencing remarks found that his crime was politically motivated.//

I know. Very strange don't you think. Perhaps if he had been a recent incomer or shouted something praising a god of some description he would have immediately been diagnosed as mental.

//There are lots of questions that remain unanswered about the Soubry/Nazi incident.
Why, given her claims to have felt threatened, did Soubry look so cheerfully unperturbed throughout?
How come two of Remain’s most rabid propagandists — Femi Sorry and Owen Jones — were so conveniently on hand to witness it?
Why was this non-story so quickly allowed to escalate across the media, to the point where – outrageously – comparisons were being invited to the murder of MP Jo Cox?
Why — given this was a non-violent, non-threatening incident of an order of magnitude smaller than the kind of snarling physical aggression displayed by left-wing demonstrators — were so many Conservative MPs prepared to pretend otherwise and elevate it to the status of Worst Thing That Has Been Done To An MP Evah?
And who exactly was the mysterious figure seen leading the insults against Soubry and filming her but then caught on camera passing something to her chief of staff, rather suggesting that they knew one another?//