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So if we do drop out with no deal, lets make it even harder to get things sorted eh?
The remainiacs are so determined to stop us attaining freedom from their beloved EUSSR.
So if we do drop out with no deal, lets make it even harder to get things sorted eh?
The remainiacs are so determined to stop us attaining freedom from their beloved EUSSR.
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//There is no honour in economic suicide. // Haha and they talk about lowering the voting age. Bless. Have a look at the latest German economic projections. Ohh Dear. France on fire. Germany sinking fast(when they have to pay their own way it is going to go titzen uppen). Italy about to strike for freedom, and the Belgians and Dutch falling over themselves to be...
21:46 Tue 08th Jan 2019
I am not "mixing up" or indeed trying to highlight any single piece of legislation Jim. You on the other hand are hopping from twig to twig again, to try and supplement a nonsense idea that no date should be in place to leave your beloved pyramid scheme. Damned good bit of business, I contend, by the Brexit supporters to insist on it.
The European Court of Justice ruled on 10 December 2018 that the UK could cancel the Article 50 Brexit process without the permission of the other 27 EU members, and remain a member of the EU on its existing terms................provided the decision followed a "democratic process" i.e. a 2nd referendum.
Dem's da facts, folks.
Dem's da facts, folks.
TTT -- as I have pointed out, though, Article 50 does not fix any end date. Sure, the process lasts a maximum of two years, but it does not have to last that long, and can be extended further, albeit with the permission of the remaining EU27. But it can also be withdrawn entirely, and unilaterally. That has become very difficult.
Also, this nonsense about Remainers thwarting anything... no legislation related to Brexit has been held up, nor any significant amendments in favour of Remain passed, at any point in the last three years. And, besides, just because it has "Brexit" in the title doesn't make legislation suddenly immune from Parliamentary scrutiny.
Also, this nonsense about Remainers thwarting anything... no legislation related to Brexit has been held up, nor any significant amendments in favour of Remain passed, at any point in the last three years. And, besides, just because it has "Brexit" in the title doesn't make legislation suddenly immune from Parliamentary scrutiny.
Thanks, ymb. In future if it's not clear then can I ask that you at least allow me the opportunity to clarify before judging my posts? Or, indeed, to withdraw entirely. I don't for a second believe I'm right all the time. I do my best to be but will inevitably fall short sometimes -- and in ways that are frankly far bigger than merely a post on AB being slightly inaccurate.
Implicitly, yes, invoking A50 meant that the UK was expecting to leave on March 29th. But explicitly fixing that date in law means that the UK must first undo that amendment before trying to extend the period, one way or another. That makes it much harder, or more time-constrained, if the UK decides after all that both the current Withdrawal Agreement is unacceptable (and it is, you've said so yourself), and No Deal is not an option (which it really isn't).
“The European Court of Justice ruled on 10 December 2018 that the UK could cancel the Article 50 Brexit process without the permission of the other 27 EU members, and remain a member of the EU on its existing terms................provided the decision followed a "democratic process" i.e. a 2nd referendum.”
Indeed, Zacs. But the UK cannot extend the existing A50 notification without the concurrence of the other 27 EU nations.
“Put another way, the fixed date needlessly traps the UK.”
And having no fixed date needlessly traps the UK in the EU. The decision to leave has been taken. It is now well into the third year since that decision was taken by the electorate and that was more than enough time to agree sensible arrangements for the continuation of trade, business and life in general. Important decisions need to be acted upon and not continuously kicked down the road by various groups of politicians. Having no firm departure date would have meant endless prevarication because that’s what politicians are good at, most of them terrified of making and acting upon a decision lest they might upset somebody.
The country needs to get on and leave the EU – properly. Any sort of “deal” which leaves the UK in limbo simply extends that prevarication and kicks the “cliff edge” or “crash” (or whatever other ridiculous term is offered up to describe a proper departure) further down the road. As witnessed by the past two years, no plans will be made for such a proper departure because most politicians are simply seeking ways to retain the country’s membership whilst suggesting we have actually left.
If anybody seriously believes that France will delay goods entering its ports to massage EU politicians’ vanity for more than a few days, or who thinks any of the other terrifying prospects propounded by “experts” will materialise they need to get real. We need to get on, leave, deal with the inevitable problems that the EU will present to us following our departure and then return to some semblance of normality.
Indeed, Zacs. But the UK cannot extend the existing A50 notification without the concurrence of the other 27 EU nations.
“Put another way, the fixed date needlessly traps the UK.”
And having no fixed date needlessly traps the UK in the EU. The decision to leave has been taken. It is now well into the third year since that decision was taken by the electorate and that was more than enough time to agree sensible arrangements for the continuation of trade, business and life in general. Important decisions need to be acted upon and not continuously kicked down the road by various groups of politicians. Having no firm departure date would have meant endless prevarication because that’s what politicians are good at, most of them terrified of making and acting upon a decision lest they might upset somebody.
The country needs to get on and leave the EU – properly. Any sort of “deal” which leaves the UK in limbo simply extends that prevarication and kicks the “cliff edge” or “crash” (or whatever other ridiculous term is offered up to describe a proper departure) further down the road. As witnessed by the past two years, no plans will be made for such a proper departure because most politicians are simply seeking ways to retain the country’s membership whilst suggesting we have actually left.
If anybody seriously believes that France will delay goods entering its ports to massage EU politicians’ vanity for more than a few days, or who thinks any of the other terrifying prospects propounded by “experts” will materialise they need to get real. We need to get on, leave, deal with the inevitable problems that the EU will present to us following our departure and then return to some semblance of normality.
Treachery is such a mindless way of putting it. People disagree with you, and they don't like the future that awaits us under either the current deal or a No Deal withdrawal. Why shouldn't they stand up and fight for the future they believe in?
And, besides -- as I once again have to point out -- so far, Remain MPs have achieved next to nothing of note since the referendum.
And, besides -- as I once again have to point out -- so far, Remain MPs have achieved next to nothing of note since the referendum.
"...so far, Remain MPs have achieved next to nothing of note since the referendum."
That's because next to nothing of note has so far been achieved by either side, Jim. Lots of bits of paper, lots of discussion, lots of "agreements" which haven't been agreed; lots of waffle. But nothing of any significance.
That's because next to nothing of note has so far been achieved by either side, Jim. Lots of bits of paper, lots of discussion, lots of "agreements" which haven't been agreed; lots of waffle. But nothing of any significance.
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