Bercow, Makes The Rules.........to Fit His Views

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46818428
Well I was hoping someone else would raise this but I guess it falls to me. Will remainiacs stop at nothing to thwart the referendum result?

[Peter Pedant]

// I'm not familiar enough with the procedure to know how close to a rule it is. //

a commons motion had the word " forthwith" in it
and that under the old rules admitted no amendment (before a vote)

and Bercow allowed it to be amended
and that amendment forced May to come back ( within a day or two) with Plan B in the event of defeat.

Plan A was apparently to force the same vote day after day .....

Clerks said no you cant do that
and B said i'm gonna

Clerks later clucked - totally out of order....
none have resigned

[Old_Geezer]

"if we do leave on no deal and there are big problems" ≠ "if we do leave on no deal and there will be big problems"

No problems save for getting over the Remainer obstacles ensuring every preparation needs to be agreed. And any refusal means insufficient preparations for what needs to be done. (And no doubt Remainers trying to make out it was Brexit not them that caused any issues.)

[Peter Pedant]

I agree with Berkie actually
( usual common law argument coming up)
you cant have immutable rules for ever - or else we would have rules made up in 1215

Berkie by doing this - re-empowered the commons
a contrast
as the usual AB poster boy Trump is trying to DISempower congress ...
will ya build my boodiful warl ?
Nants ( for it is she - Pelosi that is) - Naaah
Pres - well you can sod off then
Nants - we will !

we live in interesting times

[Zacs-Master]

'Still better than the unelected shower in Bruxelles who we cannot remove.'

You have more faith than me. And I suspect you're in denial.

[youngmafbog]

"And I suspect you're in denial"

No I am not, if anything I am not blinkered like you.

How can unelected officials be better than someone who can get shot of? Sometimes you beggar belief.

You bang on about the risk to the UK leaving the EU but totally ignore the direction the EU is going.

Perhaps you are happy with a dictatorship run by Germany?

[Peter Pedant]

has any AB deep thinker noticed that there is on the table a deal which will keep on EEC employment rules etc ? so long as the sheep vote for Brexit as is

so much for keeping the laws to ourselves

now why may ( ha! pun intended) that be? surely surely not because the EEC rules offer GREATER protection to the working man than would otherwise be the case?

(Does anyone remember D Cameron esq and his Great British Liberties Bill which would repeal the Human Rights Act and offer FEWER liberties than before and not more? - - No? I thought not)

so much for 'making the rules ourselves'
well the other rules are much better - only they are bad because we didnt make them, someone else did......

such is life

[Zacs-Master]

'How can unelected officials be better than someone who [we] can get shot of?' Are you seriously saying you have faith in the people who are due to inherit complete control of our affairs?

'but totally ignore the direction the EU is going' The direction the EU is a pure construct on your (and other leave voter's) behalf to justify your vote.

'Perhaps you are happy with a dictatorship run by Germany?'
In what way is Germany a dictatorship?

[Togo]

//'How can unelected officials be better than someone who [we] can get shot of?//

“Politicians are a lot like diapers. They should be changed frequently, and for the same reasons.”
Benjamin Franklin

[ToraToraTora]

YMB, advice, get some jelly and nails, then engage ZM.

[Togo]

Lol 3T Ta. If you can't beat em at least annoy em a lot. :))

[ToraToraTora]

well you cant with ZM , total VB master who talks in riddles no chance of getting any sense out of a gaslighter.

[THECORBYLOON]

Gaslighter? Who's talking riddles now?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Strange that the brightest intellects on AB can't understand a basic concept like liberty. Or how arbitrary power, however benign on the outside, might be a threat to it..

PS: Solzhenitsyn passim.

Here's a reading list:

Animal Farm

or if you can't handle allegory try

1984 by the same author.

Or if novels don't float your boat trysomething factual like

The Great Terror by Robert Conquest.

Robert Conquest's The Great Terror

[Peter Pedant]

// Here's a reading list: Animal Farm

or if you can't handle allegory try: 1984, same author. //

you mean 1984 is TRUE ? I was just sleeping?
and that the Two minutes' hate of Emmanual Goldstein was not allegory ( which I cdnt handly anyway)

blimey the things you learn from the intellects on AB !
I must vote Brexit immediately - the intellects really DO know best ( thx to Douglas Jay father of Lord Jay)

[Zacs-Master]

I see all I recieved was insults rather than answers. Standard for leave voters. All ‘shouty’ and no substance. No idea what the removed answer was but I can guess.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Dystopian novels like "1984" and "Brave New World" are not allegories. They are both fictional descriptions of possible societies. An actual one in Orwell's case. Maybe AB's most accomplished polyglot should consult an English dictionary for a change.

Nothing allegorical about the two minute Goldstein hate break. Hero of the Soviet Union was a boy who shopped his parents: true or false? Chinese school children sticking "enemy of the people" placards round their teachers' necks and abusing them: true or false? I've even seen a highly respected AB poster doing a Goldsteinstyle hate rant against someone as harmless as the Nobel prize winner Tim Hunt for no "crime" worse than having made a bad joke about women in the laboratory.

[Zacs-Master]

You can be too educated, can’t you peeps? Ah hem.

[jno]

a possible society of pigs? Sure reads like an allegory to me.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//Here's a reading list:

Animal Farm

or if you can't handle allegory try

1984 by the same author//

Please try to keep up.