Donald Trump's Wall

[Khandro]

He said at the White House on Thursday before leaving for a tour of the border in Texas.

'They could solve this problem in literally 15 minutes. We could be back. We could have border security. They could stop this problem in 15 minutes if they wanted to. I really believe now that they don’t want to. I really believe that. I really believe that they don’t care about crime. I really believe this. The Democrats don’t care about crime.

They’ve been taken over by a group of young people who, frankly, in some cases — I’ve been watching — I actually think they’re crazy. But they’ve been taken over by a group that is so far left. I really don’t think they care about crime. And, you know, sadly, they’re viewing this as the beginning of the 2020 presidential race, and that’s okay with me. But they have been taken over by a group of people that don’t care about gangs. They don’t care about human trafficking and drugs. They don’t care about anything. I’ll tell you what — they have gone crazy.'

Legal experts say the president has the authority to declare an emergency and invoke a federal statute called the National Emergencies Act that President Gerald Ford signed into law on Sept. 14, 1976.

He ran for presidential candidacy with this as part of his policy and was voted in, is he right to dig in his heels and declare a national emergency?

[dannyk13]

Can't see that the wall be too much of a deterrent to those determined to cross the border.They will just get longer ladders.

[jim360]

Are you seriously going for the "if you aren't 100% behind me then you must be an enemy" line of reasoning? It's stuff and nonsense to suggest that objecting to building a border wall is implicitly supporting or encouraging illegal immigration. And, in point of fact, even v-e recognised this.

You're confusing ends and means, Khandro.

[gulliver1]

Can't they just have Trump " Impeached "

[dannyk13]

Gulliver
//“The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors//
He hasn't committed any of the above.

[Peter Pedant]

// He ran for presidential candidacy with this as part of his policy and was voted in, is he right to dig in his heels and declare a national emergency? //

is he right what ?

am I the only person to see the parallel with ship money and Charles I in 1624? yeah probably - both cant raise money in the usual agreed way and said 'oh I know I will circumvent this by ....'

is he right ? will be survive more like?

he hasnt realised that this isnt a financial question but a political one and the politicians will knock spots off him

congress is MEANT to work like that - to scrutinise and limit the otherwise wide policies of the President

The Nants ( Pelosi - you know the speaker of the house ) has already said that the symbol of American is a nardda a warl but the Statue of Liberty, and she will continue to screw him on a political plane indefinitely

he has already said his great big boodiful warl is a MUST to
workers he isnt paying !
they have to eat and pay bills ....

No one has said - we wont eat mr president because your warl is so important
no they have not

[Peter Pedant]

// He hasn't committed any of the above.//
you a supreme court judge den?

Johnson in 1867 was impeached over piffle
so yes they could
( didnt he veto a bill that they wanted to pass ? summit like that )

ha - go me! - you didnt expect me to say THAT didja?

[Peter Pedant]

he has even said we must have a warl
because that is how all the drugs and prostitutes get into the Land of the free and even his supporter have politelu coughed and
said - lets us move on Mr President

[gulliver1]

Trump has closed his Government, so what! The present UK Conservative Government has been closed since June 2017, trouble is no one has noticed.

[Zacs-Master]

Except you. Well done. Give yourself a gold star.

[dannyk13]

PP //you a supreme court judge den?//
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.If you can provide any evidence that he has committed anything that he could be impeached for please fell free to do so.

[jim360]

The entire impeachment discussion seems fairly pointless. Even supposing Trump *had* demonstrably done anything impeachment-worthy, it seems highly unlikely that the Senate (controlled by Republicans) would agree. There are better ways for the Democrats in the lower House to spend their time.

Meanwhile, Trump has decided (for the time being at least) not to declare a National Emergency, thus surprising exactly no-one.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-holding-off-on-declaring-national-emergency-on-the-border-calls-on-congress-to-fund-wall

[Zacs-Master]

How about Trump's ability to use his political position to promote the interests of "Trump"-branded businesses, and ongoing payments by foreign entities to businesses within the Trump business empire?

Or the ‘Emoluments Clause’ / complicity with Russian interference in the 2016 United States presidential election?

[EDDIE51]

It will do NOTHING apart from feed Trump's ego. The HUGE majority of 'illegal' immigrants come to the USA quite legally on work visas and then just stay on when the visa has expired. Or come as tourists and just disappear into the huge immigrant community.

[dannyk13]

ZM, none of which has been proved.He can't be impeached for alleged offences.

[Khandro]

jim; //You're confusing ends and means, Khandro.//

I don't think so, what "means" do you have to offer?
Did you ever see Breaking Bad in which the violent drug cartel terrible twins, leave their Mercedes with a poor Mexican family in exchange for some working clothes off their line, and simply walk in to New Mexico, USA? Fiction, based in fact - I know, I've seen it.

[Khandro]

Eddie, have you ever visited the USA?

[gulliver1]

Think they should build the wall and sit Trump on the Top, could even call it the Humpty Trumpty Wall.

[jim360]

I'd already suggested something earlier in this thread, with the idea of employing more Border Patrol staff. Hardly an outrageous suggestion, and while in isolation it wouldn't be enough I again want to point out that the situation at the Mexico border has been improve dramatically since the 2000-ish peak.

There is simply no sense in describing Trump's wall as the only viable solution. Less extreme measures taken -- yes, including fencing -- have been effective enough.

[Khandro]

https://www.immihelp.com/visitor-visa/visitor-documents.html

[Jackdaw33]

PP, Charles I was not king in 1624 as his father was still alive and reigning. The Ship Money came much later.