What Is The Point?

[Gromit]

When the Prime Minister is humiliated in the Commons vote on Tuesday, the EU expects, will grant an extension to our March 29th 2019 withdrawal.

// May has to give parliament a statement on her next move within three parliamentary working days of the vote. EU officials believe that whatever emerges will likely require a prolongation of the two-year negotiating period. //

What is the point? Her deal will never, ever be accepted. The longer she is there, the more remote a solution will be. Let her fail, and lets start anew.

[ichkeria]

Of course the huge irony for all the talk of EUSSR is that it’s actually EU rules that condemn us to sling our hook. Even if we didn’t want to

[ichkeria]

Of course the huge irony for all the talk of EUSSR is that it’s actually EU rules that condemn us to sling our hook. Even if we didn’t want to.

[Old_Geezer]

Pardon ? Could you repeat that ?

[ichkeria]

You ask “what is the point” gromit.
“The point” is partly that we cannot start anew. We might be able to get an arrangement parliament could agree to at least and pass although there is absolutely no guarantee that that would be acceptable to the other countries. We either do that, put it back to the people or simply fail to do anything. Whatever the economic costs of leaving with no desk which I suspect would dwarf any saving made by not paying our “divorce bill” the political consdwhences for the conservatives short and long term could well be catastrophic. That fear might concentrate a few minds - maybe

[andy-hughes]

ich - // That fear might concentrate a few minds - maybe //

I think minds in the House are concentrated, unfortunately they are concentrated in the wrong area - that of expelling hot air in news media interviews in blatant profile-enhancing grandstanding and general stuffed shirt blather, instead of doing what they are elected to do which is represent the people who voted for them - and who voted to leave the EU.

[jim360]

A higher role of Parliament is to act in the best interests of the country. That is the purpose of representative democracy, after all. If -- as, by now, should be fairly obvious -- it's seen that a particular policy objective should not be pursued, then it's Parliament's job to say so and to avoid it.

That is where we are with a no deal exit, at least. Every reputable authority on the subject agrees that it would be rotten for the UK, to some extent or another. It is, at the very least, a reckless gamble to ignore that and to press on regardless.

If, in spite of all those warnings, we do leave on March 29th, with No Deal, and no proper plan of where to go afterwards, still -- then I am looking forward far more to being called naive, stupid, and foolishly pessimistic, than to the horrifying possibility of being right.

[New Judge]

“It would be optimistic to expect the terms will be as good as those Britain had while inside the union.”

What, the terms which determined the taxpayer would pay £10bn annually (and rising as the country’s GDP rises) you mean?

[fender62]

seems like a no win situation or let the army take control and dissolve
parliament, with all mp's pay and perks stopped, perhaps it would focus there minds and arrest corbyn and abbot bercow for sedition.

[ChillDoubt]

What is the point? Her deal will never, ever be accepted. The longer she is there, the more remote a solution will be. Let her fail, and lets start anew.
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Start anew with what? Another referendum? Behave!
I do find it perplexing though that it’s all Theresa May’s fault.
She is chastised for the deal she has brokered(thus far) and the EU say that is the end of it. So what deal would Corbyn suddenly negotiate? Certainly nothing better than what we already have.
Ultimately, as Lord Jones(Toby Jones, former head of the CBI) said last week they(Berlin, because it’s Berlin that runs the EU, not Brussels) are terrified of a no deal Brexit, thus May in reality has the ultimate bargaining chip, so in a game of high stakes, if she plays it correctly she could possibly already have the winning hand.

[Gromit]

We are in for a rollercoaster week.
I cannot predict what will happen next, but it is going to get very messy.

[ChillDoubt]

But in the OP you mentioned starting anew.
Again I’ll ask: with what? As what?
You must supposedly have your own solution to the current impasse?

[waterboatman]

In my humble opinion, no deal would be the best deal for UK. Europe needs us more than we need Europe.

[Jackdaw33]

If only De Gaulle were still alive. He would tell us to eff off and we would gladly comply.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I think Corbeau as a French speaker can do better than "eff off". The French colloquialism which would have been used by De Gaulle does start with an eff though, doesn't it?

[Jackdaw33]

You mean: Fous le camp?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Why, sir, I don't know what you mean.

[Jackdaw33]

I can do better than that. I have a dictionary dedicated to French expletives. You should see me in full flow.

[gulliver1]

Bet ,St Theresa said a few extra prayers when she went to church yesterday, eh.

[Old_Geezer]

The only way Corbyn could get a different deal would be if the EU decided that the May one wouldn't fly and so it was worth their while to offer a minor change to get something the HoC would pass. (Their usual, "Wrong answer, try again", tactic.) But a) I'd expect they'd stick with 'take it or leave it', anticipating MPs not having the courage to stand up for their country, or b) offer something worse to bring remainers on board. Neither would bode well for the UK, so just as well the Tories and DUP won't allow the government to fall prematurely.

[Gromit]

// so just as well the DUP won't allow the government to fall prematurely. //

So you think the DUP will support May against tbeir own interests and vote for a backstop ?