What Is The Point?

[Gromit]

When the Prime Minister is humiliated in the Commons vote on Tuesday, the EU expects, will grant an extension to our March 29th 2019 withdrawal.

// May has to give parliament a statement on her next move within three parliamentary working days of the vote. EU officials believe that whatever emerges will likely require a prolongation of the two-year negotiating period. //

What is the point? Her deal will never, ever be accepted. The longer she is there, the more remote a solution will be. Let her fail, and lets start anew.

[andy-hughes]

I think the deal should fail, and we should 'crash out' as the media love to hyperbolise it, and start negotiating trade deals with each individual country.

The EU likes to believe that it is indispensable in world trade - it's time for the UK to demonstrate that it is patently not.

[ToraToraTora]

i agree lets leave the EU with no deal on 29th March and start afresh.

[jno]

trade deals with each individual country

not with EU countries, though.

[ToraToraTora]

all that has to happen is that the PM has 3 days to come up with a plan. It says nothing about the content. What is the plan said simple, "do nothing"?

[Gromit]

But should the deadline be tended beyond 29.3.19 ?
It will achieve nothing except delay the inevitable. The sooner we crash out, the sooner we can (try) to pick ourselves up again. Any delay will add to the pain.

[ToraToraTora]

no the deadline should not be extended, yes we should accept that the EUSSR do not want any sort of sensible agreement and leave with none.

[andy-hughes]

jno - // trade deals with each individual country

not with EU countries, though. //

You think not?

Look at how much trade we do with EU countries, and ask how long those countries' businesses are going to allow Brussels to deny them a chance to continue trading, simply so a few suits can play hardball to prevent their cash cow falling down like a house of cards.

[ToraToraTora]

gromit are you now favouring "no deal" - I'm shocked!

[jno]

andy, EU businesses can trade all they like with British businesses, but any international deals - the sort of things that provide for preferential treatment, reduced tariffs and so on - will have to be made with the EU as a whole. And any individual state can block them. It would be optimistic to expect the terms will be as good as those Britain had while inside the union.

[Gromit]

Tora,
My stance has always been to adhere to the vote and leave on 29.3.19. No delays no flim flam.
I suspect in a few years we might be beating on their door to let us in again, but that is a different matter. For the moment, leave as per schedule.

[ToraToraTora]

ok gromit, leave with no deal, yes?

[cassa333]

Parliament won’t let us leave on no deal though will it. They will force a humiliated May and government into extending A50 for a few m9nths then what?

They will demand either another referendum or general election.

I repeat, they will do everything in their power, even allowing Bercow to flout the rules, to NOT have no deal.

[ichkeria]

It ought to be born in mind that the deadline can’t just be extended : it needs all 27 other countries to agree. If Croatia says no for example we’re b******d

[ToraToraTora]

cassa:"Parliament won’t let us leave on no deal though will it. They will force a humiliated May and government into extending A50 for a few m9nths then what? " - it's the default, nowt they can do, only the EUSSR can extend A50 (all 27). May has 3 days to produce a plan, what if that plan is simply do nothing?

[Gromit]

Tora,
In theory that is what should happen, but it won’t be allowed to.
No one wants a general election.
No one wants another referendum.
No one can replace May.
And no one wants a ‘no deal’ brexit.

I think we have reached a critical period when a momentus change has to happen. (Not necessarily good for democracy, but the impass has to be broken).
It won’t be pretty.

[andy-hughes]

jno - // andy, EU businesses can trade all they like with British businesses, but any international deals - the sort of things that provide for preferential treatment, reduced tariffs and so on - will have to be made with the EU as a whole. And any individual state can block them. //

I understand that, and so do all the partticipants in this farce.

Which is why the EU is terrified that once any member state sees the UK thriving quite nicely outwith its expensive trade umbrella, they will consider holding their contributions in their own banks, and making their own deals, and the EU will be consigned to history.

That is the reason why Brussells played hardball from day one of the negotiations. What Britain failed to do was acknowledge its position of strength in the game, and play hardball right back. If they had, we would be in a very different position now.

[Old_Geezer]

If Croatia says no, for example, we’re grateful. Means there can be a stop to some of the unacceptable suggestions, and we can get on with leaving.

[ichkeria]

In reality I suspect an extension would be granted. But only if the EU thought there was a good reason such as a general election, a referendum or some definite thing or other that we needed to sort out. Of it was just “erm, we’re stuck can we have more time?” then I’d say they would not buy that

[Peter Pedant]

what is the point of - - - having another danged Brexit thread

wont yesterdays do? No-one's opinion has changed overnight
Jesus

[Old_Geezer]

Few may want no deal as first choice, but all should accept it's the only remaining option now worth supporting.