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All Adults Will Be Presumed To Be Organ Donors …
…..unless they explicitly opt out.
//An opt-out system for organ donation will soon become law after it passed its last hurdle in Parliament.
Campaigners hope the new system will encourage us to make our wishes known before we die, with an online register for those opting out.
Research has shown more than 80 per cent of adults in England would definitely donate their organs or would consider doing so. However, only 37 per cent of Britons have registered as donors on the NHS Organ Donor Register and received a donor card.
However, Professor Chris Rudge, a leading transplant surgeon, has said he would opt out on the grounds that the State should not presume to take a citizen’s organs. Last year he said: ‘Organ donation should be a present … I am so horribly opposed to a change in the law.’//
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Your thoughts?. For or against?
//An opt-out system for organ donation will soon become law after it passed its last hurdle in Parliament.
Campaigners hope the new system will encourage us to make our wishes known before we die, with an online register for those opting out.
Research has shown more than 80 per cent of adults in England would definitely donate their organs or would consider doing so. However, only 37 per cent of Britons have registered as donors on the NHS Organ Donor Register and received a donor card.
However, Professor Chris Rudge, a leading transplant surgeon, has said he would opt out on the grounds that the State should not presume to take a citizen’s organs. Last year he said: ‘Organ donation should be a present … I am so horribly opposed to a change in the law.’//
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Your thoughts?. For or against?
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If nothing else this thread shows that there's no limit to the insane flights of fancy embarked on by some.
10:40 Sat 02nd Feb 2019
Is it enough to say that those who want to opt out can do so? I suppose yes, as long as you advertise the fact as widely as possible -- but, perhaps, a little too dismissive for those who for whatever reason would rather their organs didn't get used after death but aren't aware of how to go about that.
But anyway. I'd still support an opt-out system, as long as there is no sanction for opting out and as long as there's enough continued publicity about the change.
But anyway. I'd still support an opt-out system, as long as there is no sanction for opting out and as long as there's enough continued publicity about the change.
"Won't they just do as they do already with those of us on the donor list?"
Dunno......if there is this massive increase in harvested organs that they are expecting then maybe there will be more of some things than can immediately be used....and if they can just take from the body without any negotiation or discussion with family......
Dunno......if there is this massive increase in harvested organs that they are expecting then maybe there will be more of some things than can immediately be used....and if they can just take from the body without any negotiation or discussion with family......
Against. Agree with the Professor entirely. It is not for the State to presume. Yes, you can opt out, but, just like opting in, there will be a great deal of people who won't opt out because they forget, can't understand the process of opting out, etc. I don't carry a donor card for my own personal reasons, neither do I want a donated organ. The word donated indicates gifting.
I am intrigued by the emotive scenarios envisaged by some posters - bloody-thirsty surgeons lurking in ambulances ready to whip out the kidney of the next person who arrives because they fainted in Sainsburys!
Similarly, absolutely untypically emotive language from NewJudge, referring to the 'plundering' of organs, neither the current of future systems are anything like that word suggests.
I registered to donate years ago, I have no notion of emotional attachment to my body, especially after I am dead, and hope my family will respect my wishes.
I think that the idea of 'presumption by the state' is farcical - the state 'presumes' on our daily lives in dozens of ways, all of which we accept. We have no choice on our police or fire services, which hospital we are taken to, why do we suddenly decide we must have such autonomy over our corpses?
But for those who, there is the opt out, and that is a clear personal choice offered to everyone - wanting more than that is simply unreasonable.
Currently people die because they cannot get organs transplanted - anything that reduces that number gets my vote.
Similarly, absolutely untypically emotive language from NewJudge, referring to the 'plundering' of organs, neither the current of future systems are anything like that word suggests.
I registered to donate years ago, I have no notion of emotional attachment to my body, especially after I am dead, and hope my family will respect my wishes.
I think that the idea of 'presumption by the state' is farcical - the state 'presumes' on our daily lives in dozens of ways, all of which we accept. We have no choice on our police or fire services, which hospital we are taken to, why do we suddenly decide we must have such autonomy over our corpses?
But for those who, there is the opt out, and that is a clear personal choice offered to everyone - wanting more than that is simply unreasonable.
Currently people die because they cannot get organs transplanted - anything that reduces that number gets my vote.
I'm very uneasy with this, for the same reason as the others, in that I don't think the government have the right to 'own' you after death. I won't be opting out myself, but the whole idea gives me pause.
Will they be taking organs as a matter of routine?
Will family members of 'opt outers' still be bothered for organs at a dying persons bedside?
Will they be taking organs as a matter of routine?
Will family members of 'opt outers' still be bothered for organs at a dying persons bedside?
well rocky, I don't think they will be bothered at the bedside because there won't be any need to......instead potentially the conversation will be about how quickly the body can be taken for harvesting. I completely absolve the hospital staff of wishing to body snatch or being happy to have conversations such as "You can't get here till tomorrow? oh well we will have needed to harvest his heart before then" but different....well I won't say priveleges....but permissions given to the NHS will I am sure, result in different procedures....indeed there wouldn't be much point in the legislation if nothing changed.
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The plain and simple fact is that there are not enough donors.
Just because an organ is donated does not mean it will be suitable for a recipient.
Some people are waiting far too long for donated organs and their quality of life usually is decreasing with time.
Perhaps whether or not anyone would want Baldric's kebab should be the subject of a separate post ...
Just because an organ is donated does not mean it will be suitable for a recipient.
Some people are waiting far too long for donated organs and their quality of life usually is decreasing with time.
Perhaps whether or not anyone would want Baldric's kebab should be the subject of a separate post ...
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