All Adults Will Be Presumed To Be Organ Donors …

[naomi24]

…..unless they explicitly opt out.

//An opt-out system for organ donation will soon become law after it passed its last hurdle in Parliament.

Campaigners hope the new system will encourage us to make our wishes known before we die, with an online register for those opting out.

Research has shown more than 80 per cent of adults in England would definitely donate their organs or would consider doing so. However, only 37 per cent of Britons have registered as donors on the NHS Organ Donor Register and received a donor card.

However, Professor Chris Rudge, a leading transplant surgeon, has said he would opt out on the grounds that the State should not presume to take a citizen’s organs. Last year he said: ‘Organ donation should be a present … I am so horribly opposed to a change in the law.’//

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6659669/All-adults-presumed-organ-donors-unless-explicitly-opt-new-law.html

Your thoughts?. For or against?

[Cloverjo]

Doctors are very rarely in the backs of ambulances, and anyway I'm sure their first thoughts would be 'How can I save this person?' Not 'Whip his organs out.'
If you don't like it opt out. Nothing more to be said, is there?

[THECORBYLOON]

TTT, if you were on a waiting-list, would you not have the option to refuse?

By agreeing to that transplant, would you not be defending the new process?

[Sqad]

I agree with Cloverjo.........if you don't like it for whatever reason....then OPT OUT.

[Bigbad]

As far as I’m aware, at the moment, if you carry a card (as I do), your family still get the final say.
But, I agree with mibn2cweus @ 8.49 so, if family/final say ends with the new law, I will also opt out.

If it means I’m not eligible for a transplant, then so be it.

[jno]

against. The idea that the state assumes any right to my body is improper.

[Sqad]

Bigbad

"If it means I’m not eligible for a transplant, then so be it."

I just wonder if that would be you attitude if you needed a transplant?

[ToraToraTora]

"TTT, if you were on a waiting-list, would you not have the option to refuse? " - yes I would.
"By agreeing to that transplant, would you not be defending the new process?" - of course not. I don't agree with forced donation, I have nothing against the idea of transplants.
The idea that you should either agree or die for want of a transplant is a rather tenuous connection.

[Zacs-Master]

It would be ‘forced’ if there were no opt out. But there is.

[ToraToraTora]

my guess is they wont look too hard for the opt out card. They've been wanting permission to chop up people in the backs of ambulances for ever, this will be party time for them.

[Bigbad]

Yes I would, sqad.

I’m at the point in my life having had the same life threatening medical condition 3 times, that I know if I were to have it again (or any other), then my time would be up and I would need to accept it.

[Sqad]

Bigbad...OK.

[douglas9401]

If nothing else this thread shows that there's no limit to the insane flights of fancy embarked on by some.

[Zacs-Master]

What would be the logic of whipping a kidney out of someone who wasn’t dead and putting it in someone else? I’m pretty sure the removal wouldn’t be done in transit either.

[Zacs-Master]

Quite, doooogie. These people are allowed to vote as well!

[maggiebee]

So..... you don't want to donate your organs which, lets face it, will either go up in smoke or become worm food. What if you, or a family member or friend, needed a transplant? Where will this donation come from?

[THECORBYLOON]

TTT, in order to benefit, you would need others to have done something you refuse to do.

[Zacs-Master]

Some psychopath in the back of an ambulance, apparently.

[New Judge]

//Have never forgotten John Prescott talking about it and saying that "organs are a national resource"//

Yes And I think that just about sums up this Bill. Organs are not a national resource. The presumption that they are there for the taking unless the donor has explicitly said they are not confirms Mr Prescott’s attitude. The fact that there is an option available (to prevent it) is not sufficient. People should not have to “register” to prevent their bodies being plundered.

As well as the philosophical aspect there are practicalities, some of which have been mentioned. But the greatest threat of all is that the register of those who have opted out will be maintained by a government department and we all know how good government departments are at maintaining and securing records. At present the default is that no plundering takes place unless there is positive evidence to show the donor wants to be a donor, This Bill will reverse that and if the evidence of opt out is not available or has been lost or corrupted the organs will be harvested.

BTW, I am a registered organ donor (not that they will find much of any use when I shuffle off this mortal coil). I have chosen positively to opt in and that's how it should be.

[anneasquith]

For those of you who wish to “opt out “ . You would rather just burn all your organs ........ what a waste :’(

[ToraToraTora]

I'm happy to donate my organs, when I'm dead, I don't trust the process, people have awoken on mortuary slabs.