Not Sure If This Is Allowed

[bednobs]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-47175040
read this earlier and just felt so sad

[Peter Pedant]

nope
still not recognition that they were arrested
but not have been charged

Corbo - the situation may be more complicated
Adomako displaced the previous case Cunningham (reckless manslaughter )
and then about twenty years later ( like Lazarus ) it came back

Perhaps their Lordships had difficulty in applying adomako to deaths caused by home improvements

anyway doing home improvements ( usually electrical ) in a way that may reasonably be seen to be unsafe and have caused death - is sufficient

and Jesus dont the lawyers on legal aid yap about whether the deaths is foreseeable by a reasonable person or WAS foreseen by the defendant and ignored(condition 3 of adomako)

this is early days - R v Lee and Murphy took two years to come to court - abandoned when the hospital enquiry report was disclosed the day before the trial and ..... said the defendants were not at fault. (naughty GOSH )

[Peter Pedant]

// Fire damage arson in the hope of a move to a better council property?//
would be on the facts enough for a murder charge

death from arson is easily foreseeable, and you intend to set a fire and cause damage which is intention enough....and a crime (IMO etc)

(constructive malice which their lordships have been trying to kill for at least 50 y)

[bednobs]

yes pp youve said it 4 times now.

[Peter Pedant]

// circumstances would lead to the suspicion of that charge in this case//

yeah but no but - bednobs
look! I can see the word Chaaaarge!
which means that I might say it four times but no one is listening.....( as usual this is after all AB)

[Cloverjo]

Err... the police asked for no speculating, but here you all are guessing and speculating on what might have happened. Horrible!

Very sad situation. A family has lost four little children.

[Jackdaw33]

As the parents appear to be unharmed I wonder if they were in the hiuse at the time and the children had been left on their own.

[Peter Pedant]

quite a lot of this is on
what is necessary to prove a charge of manslaughter by gross negligence
( or reckless manslaughter if different)

we are all agreed the unfortunate children are dead ....

[retrocop]

Apparently there was no child abandonment. The parents were both present when fire broke out and mother jumped out window holding a young child screaming "my babies,my babies"
A neighbour reports the Gas board had condemned the central heating gas boiler but the parents continued to use it. Hence the charges I guess.

[Peter Pedant]

eeek involuntary manslaughter has morphed into two
gross negligence manslaughter
and unlawful act manslaughter

R v Farnon , Ellis, 2015

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2015/351.html

[clearly not for slow readers] - yeah I know this is nooz and not Law