Yet Another Defeat For The Government

[ichkeria]

The amendment to the vote I mentioned yesterday has unexpectedly passed!

It’s not legally binding but it does mean that parliament has said “no deal is not an option - ever”

[-Talbot-]

https://twitter.com/euronews/status/1105927021044088832


Just listen to the total lack of respect for the voting public.

[Zacs-Master]

‘The only reason the no deal option is even being contemplated is because the government is more scared of defying the referendum result than of the consequences of pressing on without a deal. ’

Tonight’s result would seem to be at odds with that statement Ich.

[jim360]

Allow me to put it another way, then: citing other people's work without declaring its origin is usually known as plagiarism.

Also, call him "atheist", since that's his name on this site. I'd refer you to a judgement of Ab Editor that not referring to users by their given names, especially when deliberately misspelled, is tantamount to harassment or abuse and as such is not tolerated here.

[ichkeria]

Yes well Zacs now things are coming to a head and we near the deadline more members of the govt are breaking ranks. Apparently 4 govt ministers abstained in the amendment: and how many votes did it win by? :-)

[Zacs-Master]

But a no deal isn’t being ‘contemplated’ by the Govt. The Govt have just said a no deal isn’t an option.

[jim360]

Yes. Apparently the next step is to vote on a motion about extension, which, as the government presented it, also forces the House to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement for a third time.

Tomorrow will be the biggest day on Brexit since today...

[ichkeria]

It wasn’t the government that said that, it was parliament. We only got the vote tonight because Theresa May was faced with resignations from her cabinet. And when the first amendment was passed tonight against their will the PM cancelled the free vote in the amended motion.
“Kicking and screaming” would be an understatement.

[fiction-factory]

Thanks jim/ichekeria?Zacs. It's good to see we are getting some informative and helpful answers on this thread in between the twaddle, cut and paste, and patronsising comments- and the autopilot EUSSR cliches seem to have stopped

[ichkeria]

Apparently the plan might be to ask for an extension to June 30 provided some deal or other is passed by March 20

[tonyav]

And Jean Claude-Juncker said yesterday that he wouldn't approve any delay beyond May 23, when the elections start.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-what-happened-in-tonights-no-deal-vote-and-what-happens-now/ar-BBUJJZm?li=BBoPWjQ

[Togo]

Whoo whoo. I posted a text from MSN news and it was aheemm not acceptable. Looking in the wrong places ya'all.

[Togo]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-what-happened-in-tonights-no-deal-vote-and-what-happens-now/ar-BBUJJZm?li=BBoPWjQ

[ichkeria]

Yes May 23 is an important date but if they knew we were leaving I dare say a month over wouldn’t matter. What isn’t going to work I’d say is just “give us more time”
What happens if there’s no deal by March 20 is of course unclear.

[Zacs-Master]

Apologies, Ich. I obviously wasn’t making the distinction between parliament and government.

We still have the backstop to sort out. Don’t we?

[Old_Geezer]

Do you think we can convince him to bring that back 55 days ?

[Togo]

That is the one AV. I copied and pasted the script and it was ar? Wrong source...…...Me :))

[fiction-factory]

Your cut and paste text was acceptable, Togo. It was some of your own musings/comments that weren't acceptable.

[Zacs-Master]

May 21st is a much more important date.

[jim360]

The only deal that can possibly be voted on by March 20th is the one that's already been rejected twice. It would be extraordinary to bring back the same deal for a third time. Convention in the House of Commons is that no sitting Parliament should be asked to vote twice on the same issue*, let alone three or even four times.



*Yes, I am aware of the possible hypocrisy in this, given my support for a second referendum, but then there is a difference between Commons votes and referendums -- and besides, there have been three years and at least one General Election between that referendum and any future one. Not to mention that it wouldn't actually be the same question, because it would be one way or another shaped by the intervening few years.**

**Also I know that was a long footnote.