Another Man Arrested Over Jodie Chesney's Murder.

[anotheoldgit]

It has been announced that another man has been arrested over the murder of Jodie Chesney.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6806219/Man-18-person-charged-murder-Jodie-Chesney-17.html

The next day of Jodie's murder it was announced that a 17 year old young man, named Yousef Makki was also murdered, does anyone know if anyone has been arrested over his murder?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/knife-bloodbath-claims-grammar-schoolboy-14083067

[retrocop]

Spath
//agchris i honestly think enforced stop and search is the way forward.//


Tell that to the Lambeth boys and their mothers and Bernie Grant's followers like Dianne Abbot.
About 30 years ago Sec 66 was used extremely vigourously and effectively in the prevention of crime. So effective,in fact, that the black boys and their moms constantly appeared on TV wailing about police harassment. In order to appease the government of the day stripped the police of their sanctions to stop and search.
What you see today is the result of that appeasement and the very same people who complained are pleading to bring it back. Course they have to still complain that police are not doing enough for them.What do they expect now. They were the ones who got the police labelled institutionalised racists.

[spathiphyllum]

Why have you made it about race? Knife crime isn't restricted to any race in the UK. It's not just London with knife crime either.

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - // Tell that to the Lambeth boys and their mothers and Bernie Grant's followers like Dianne Abbot.
About 30 years ago Sec 66 was used extremely vigourously and effectively in the prevention of crime. So effective,in fact, that the black boys and their moms … //

Are you simply unable to make your point without resorting to such offensive language, or do you feel it makes you appear tougher, and therefore more likely to be listened to?

[douglas9401]

Here we are again, someone tasked with creating traffic for the site.

More of the same.

[anotheoldgit]

spathiphyllum
/// Why have you made it about race?
Knife crime isn't restricted to any race in the UK. It's not just London with knife crime either. ///

Really???? Although the authorities and the media do not like to go down that track, it is certainly a race issue.

[spathiphyllum]

Is that your educated opinion.. from the daily mail and the mirror, AOG? Or your person opinion from what you see day to day in your life?

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// Are you simply unable to make your point without resorting to such offensive language, ///

Oh for goodness sake, what 'offensive language' is that?

In the circumstances we see today, I think that retrocop makes a very valid point.

[retrocop]

Spath
I mentioned race because as stated it was the black community who opposed stop and search inthe first place. When it comes back to bite their community in particular, like you, they are asking fot it's return

I have stated the obvious that needs to be pointed out to you.
About 80% ish of all knife murders are black on black.I include Asians.
By Asians I mean Indians and Pakistanis. If the name of the latest suspect arrested in the case of Jodie Chesney is anything to go by then I might suggest it may have a Nigerian twang to it. We can wait and see .So far the names of the suspects sound like a league of nations sodon't lets skirt round the daisys and face facts.

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, why are the murder rates in American states higher in those with the death penalty compared to those without?

[spathiphyllum]

"About 80% ish of all knife murders are black on black."


Have you got any evidence to support this such as statistics across the UK and not specific to a city?

[spathiphyllum]

And "lets not skirt round the daisies and face facts" is the reason for stop and search. As i said, if anyone's offended or against the idea, then it indicates they are carrying a weapon. So even more reason to stop and search them.

[Peter Pedant]

// If the Guildford Four or Stefan Kiszko had been put to death, who would then face the death penalty for their killings?//

oh - no one - you cant commit murder by perjury - R v McHugh 1748

[-Talbot-]

Only just seen this thread and instantly I'm once again distracted by andy-hughes handing out English lessons (despite it making no sense)

Probably no point reading the rest of the thread...it's now about capital punishment isn't it?

[ludwig]

// It's not a punishment - punishing someone for a crime is designed to stop them repeating the crime //

So it (hanging) does qualify as a punishment then. The most effective one possible.

// Why don't you classify being locked up in prison as revenge? //

// Because that actually is a punishment! //

Not a very good answer. Tantamount to saying 'because I just don't!'.

The fact is they're both punishments. You just choose to characterise one as 'revenge' because you don't agree with it.

[retrocop]

There is nothing offensive about my post. Unlike you I face the facts in front me and write of what I know to be true of what I see in London.
I do not come on this site spouting like a pseudo criminal psychologist.
You might use the letters 'imo' more often because expecting ABers to hang on to your every word does not fly and some of us recognise what you say for what it really is.

[anotheoldgit]

spathiphyllum

/// Is that your educated opinion.. from the daily mail and the mirror, AOG? ///

Ah that same old chestnut, "it's the right-wing press that is spreading the news". Perhaps this from the Guardian is more to your taste?

/// Although the majority of black boys in London achieve well in school and thereafter, a few things cannot be denied: black boys in London are massively over-represented in stabbings; black-on-black violence is significantly gang-related; gangs in London are crime-focused ///

[pixie374]

Here we are-

revenge
/rɪˈvɛn(d)ʒ/Submit
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noun
1.
the action of hurting or harming someone in return for an injury or wrong suffered at their hands.
"other spurned wives have taken public revenge on their husbands"
synonyms: vengeance, retribution, retaliation, reprisal, requital, recrimination, an eye for an eye (and a tooth for a tooth), tit for tat, measure for measure, getting even, redress, satisfaction, repayment, payback; More
verbLITERARY
1.
inflict hurt or harm on someone for an injury or wrong done to oneself//

Revenge is when it is a personal response for something done to you personally. I don't think Capital punishment qualifies.

[spathiphyllum]

No AOG, my point isn't that you're watching the right wing media, my point is, your only source is the media.

I just think it'd be interesting to know the population of "black boys" and then the % of crime.. compared to the population of white boys and the % of crime across the whole UK.

[retrocop]

retrocop - // Tell that to the Lambeth boys and their mothers and Bernie Grant's followers like Dianne Abbot.
About 30 years ago Sec 66 was used extremely vigourously and effectively in the prevention of crime. So effective,in fact, that the black boys and their moms … //

//Are you simply unable to make your point without resorting to such offensive language, or do you feel it makes you appear tougher, and therefore more likely to be listened to?//

Why do you not just address the content of my post rather than provoke? It was obvious you have no appetite to debate with Naomi because you were on the back foot so became churlish.
As always you send a wrecking ball through an OP and I for one will leave you to it.

[-Talbot-]

revenge
1.
the action of hurting or harming someone in return for an injury or wrong suffered at their hands.
synonyms: vengeance, retribution,


retribution
punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act.
synonyms: punishment,