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Brexit
The people wanted it. Their elected representatives didn't. Isn't that the whole problem?
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Good grief! We’re not back to this again surely!? (Instead of putting his clocks forward an hour for Summertime, NJ turns his back 33 months):
“About half of the people voted, and about half of them wanted it;…”
72% of them voted and 52% of those wanted it.
“A minority of the electorate wanted to leave so that should have knocked the whole idea of leaving on the head.”
Er… but an even smaller minority wanted to remain, so surely that should have knocked that idea on the head even harder (unless, of course, you count those who couldn’t be bothered to vote as wanting to remain, which is logically flawed).
“These elected representatives were voted in AFTER the referendum,…”
Indeed they were. And 80% of those elected stood on a manifesto of facilitating the UK’s departure from the EU. They knew what was required of them before they stood.
The plain fact is that most MPs are dishonest. They were elected under false pretences as they stood on a manifesto, the principle pledge of which they had no intention of fulfilling. They voted by quite a margin to reject the only deal on offer (which I believe they were right in doing as it did not actually involve leaving other than in name). But then then decided (under the guise of "acting in the country's interest") that leaving after all was a bit too risky and presented more problems than their scarce talents would enable them to cope with.
“About half of the people voted, and about half of them wanted it;…”
72% of them voted and 52% of those wanted it.
“A minority of the electorate wanted to leave so that should have knocked the whole idea of leaving on the head.”
Er… but an even smaller minority wanted to remain, so surely that should have knocked that idea on the head even harder (unless, of course, you count those who couldn’t be bothered to vote as wanting to remain, which is logically flawed).
“These elected representatives were voted in AFTER the referendum,…”
Indeed they were. And 80% of those elected stood on a manifesto of facilitating the UK’s departure from the EU. They knew what was required of them before they stood.
The plain fact is that most MPs are dishonest. They were elected under false pretences as they stood on a manifesto, the principle pledge of which they had no intention of fulfilling. They voted by quite a margin to reject the only deal on offer (which I believe they were right in doing as it did not actually involve leaving other than in name). But then then decided (under the guise of "acting in the country's interest") that leaving after all was a bit too risky and presented more problems than their scarce talents would enable them to cope with.
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The current state of affairs is that:
1. If May's deal is accepted we will apply for a short extension until around May/June this year.
2. If May's deal is rejected (again) then we will apply for an extension probably until sometime towards or beyond the end of 2019.
3. But both of these applications rely on the EU agreeing. They may not.
4. If the EU don't agree then the default position of leaving on 29th March becomes more of an issue.
5. But even then, emergency legislation that will allow the UK to unilaterally withdraw a50 notification may or may not be passed. And if it is passed then we don't leave on 29th March after all.
I don't know how far down the chain we get. At the moment it looks likely that May's deal will be rejected for a third time. But to say that we *are* leaving on 29th March (if May's deal is rejected) is wrong. Nothing is so certain.
1. If May's deal is accepted we will apply for a short extension until around May/June this year.
2. If May's deal is rejected (again) then we will apply for an extension probably until sometime towards or beyond the end of 2019.
3. But both of these applications rely on the EU agreeing. They may not.
4. If the EU don't agree then the default position of leaving on 29th March becomes more of an issue.
5. But even then, emergency legislation that will allow the UK to unilaterally withdraw a50 notification may or may not be passed. And if it is passed then we don't leave on 29th March after all.
I don't know how far down the chain we get. At the moment it looks likely that May's deal will be rejected for a third time. But to say that we *are* leaving on 29th March (if May's deal is rejected) is wrong. Nothing is so certain.
