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What are your thoughts on pregnant women being on front-line duty?
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//Do people not understand that women do not wish to be 'protected from themselves' and exactly how patronising and absurd that seems.//
I understand completely what it is like attending The Load of Hay P.H. on Friday night at Praed St ,Paddington on a serious disturbance shout. Myself driving the Area car with a WPC operator.
It is not gratifying to visit your male mate in a hospital ward up the road at St Mary's Hospital Praed after a good kicking or a bottle over their head let a lone a female officer and pregnant at that.
It is not fair on her colleagues who feel duty bound to protect her first and putting their own welfare in danger rather than being inhibited by a woman in whatever stage of pregnancy. They wanted the front line and got it put please don't be so selfish as not to consider the people you work with also.
If the team Captain takes you off the pitch as a result of a rugby injury you come off. No ifs,buts or arguments. It is called team work and discipline and any man or woman in the police service who cannot accept that have no place doing the job.
I understand completely what it is like attending The Load of Hay P.H. on Friday night at Praed St ,Paddington on a serious disturbance shout. Myself driving the Area car with a WPC operator.
It is not gratifying to visit your male mate in a hospital ward up the road at St Mary's Hospital Praed after a good kicking or a bottle over their head let a lone a female officer and pregnant at that.
It is not fair on her colleagues who feel duty bound to protect her first and putting their own welfare in danger rather than being inhibited by a woman in whatever stage of pregnancy. They wanted the front line and got it put please don't be so selfish as not to consider the people you work with also.
If the team Captain takes you off the pitch as a result of a rugby injury you come off. No ifs,buts or arguments. It is called team work and discipline and any man or woman in the police service who cannot accept that have no place doing the job.
//I'd say she should spare a thought for the baby...//
She would have done Spice but the old risk assessment didn't think the baby was sufficiently at risk.
The Home Office brought in a Vulnerable Persons Victim Matrix form in response to the Fiona Pilkington case in Leicester.All based on 15 questions and a final score.
I know for a fact that not all police forces were using them regularly and also it was possible to obtain a very similar score whether someone was having eggs thrown at their front door compared to someone who had been stabbed.
No more than a guide and not a very useful one at that...
She would have done Spice but the old risk assessment didn't think the baby was sufficiently at risk.
The Home Office brought in a Vulnerable Persons Victim Matrix form in response to the Fiona Pilkington case in Leicester.All based on 15 questions and a final score.
I know for a fact that not all police forces were using them regularly and also it was possible to obtain a very similar score whether someone was having eggs thrown at their front door compared to someone who had been stabbed.
No more than a guide and not a very useful one at that...
//It is not gratifying to visit your male mate in a hospital ward up the road at St Mary's Hospital Praed after a good kicking or a bottle over their head let a lone a female officer//
-that's exactly what I am talking about Retro.
It's often moaned that women 'want their cake and to eat it' etc etc etc- that we want equality but we actually want preferential treatment- and yet when we ask not to be treated preferentially as this officer did- that's wrong as well.
If I chose to be a policewoman and I got shot, stabbed, beaten- whatever- WHY is that worse than if it happens to a man? Of course it isn't. Common sense tells us that, but there is a tendency amongst men only to be honest to assume that for some reason it is. It's that kind of social conditioning that needs breaking.
Now if she is unfit to fulfil her role s an officer I would be in absolute agreement with her being moved over o a desk job, but it wasn't the case at that point, so it should not have happened, and she was forced to do something she didn't want to do purely because she was female- and you've just underlined that, that it's actually men with the issue because they are for whatever reason unable to detach themselves from gender stereotypes and would be more keen to protect a female officer than a male- and that is the real issue with the greatest respect.
-that's exactly what I am talking about Retro.
It's often moaned that women 'want their cake and to eat it' etc etc etc- that we want equality but we actually want preferential treatment- and yet when we ask not to be treated preferentially as this officer did- that's wrong as well.
If I chose to be a policewoman and I got shot, stabbed, beaten- whatever- WHY is that worse than if it happens to a man? Of course it isn't. Common sense tells us that, but there is a tendency amongst men only to be honest to assume that for some reason it is. It's that kind of social conditioning that needs breaking.
Now if she is unfit to fulfil her role s an officer I would be in absolute agreement with her being moved over o a desk job, but it wasn't the case at that point, so it should not have happened, and she was forced to do something she didn't want to do purely because she was female- and you've just underlined that, that it's actually men with the issue because they are for whatever reason unable to detach themselves from gender stereotypes and would be more keen to protect a female officer than a male- and that is the real issue with the greatest respect.
It not a case of women being protected from themselves, but of developing babies being protected from the foolish risk taking of their prospective mothers, who put their own desires over the needs of their potential children. This so-called risk assessment needs replacing, the rule should be, without exception, that pregnant individuals are assigned desk jobs.
She was back where she wanted to be in May. Back on the front line. Now if a crime was being committed I don't think it would instill a lot of confidence in people if a seven months pregnant policewoman turned up .With the best will in the world I think she would find it difficult to wrestle a burglar to the ground or give chase up the street.
I was employed as a firearms officer charged with the protection of members of the Royal Family and other dignitaries. I was required to undergo a stringent annual fitness test plus attend the range twice a month to qualify a firearm. If I developed myopia and couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo I would be incapable of protecting my Principals and counterparts. I would be happy to be offered another post rather than kicked out to grass.
The only Officer I recall who claimed a large sum of compensation for being relieved of firearms duties was a female who insisted that her Police Force changed the equipment because the grips were too big for her small hands. These complaints do womenhood no favours in a disciplined force and show them up for pure money grubbers.
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The only Officer I recall who claimed a large sum of compensation for being relieved of firearms duties was a female who insisted that her Police Force changed the equipment because the grips were too big for her small hands. These complaints do womenhood no favours in a disciplined force and show them up for pure money grubbers.
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Well ag
Here is another one who does her gender no favours within the police service. She actually quit after her payout and was given a post with the IPCC. She wasn't happy with her lot so decided to sue them for £140,000.
These officers are types that a cash strapped police service can ill afford
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Here is another one who does her gender no favours within the police service. She actually quit after her payout and was given a post with the IPCC. She wasn't happy with her lot so decided to sue them for £140,000.
These officers are types that a cash strapped police service can ill afford
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