Pregnant Women On Front Line Duties

[agchristie]

What are your thoughts on pregnant women being on front-line duty?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6815147/Pregnant-policewoman-stripped-line-duties-wins-sex-discrimination-case-against-force.html

[retrocop]

Ho Spicey
Got your tin helmet close to hand? Incoming I believe shortly.

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - // Oh dear. If being temporarily placed on sedentery duties for the safety of herself and the baby has caused her mental trauma ,anxiety etc and affected her mental health then It should be considered by her Chief Constable that she is not fit to hold the office of Constable . //

It is made clear in the report that her reactions were not as a result of being placed on sedentary duties, but rather more as a result of being removed from the support she received in her original role, and her enjoyment of it, which is not quite the same thing.

[dannyk13]

AH, If being transferred from one position to another affects her mental state then she is hardly fit to be a police officer.

[andy-hughes]

danny - // AH, If being transferred from one position to another affects her mental state then she is hardly fit to be a police officer. //

Once again, it is not a matter of being transferred from one position to another - it is her perception that she was discriminated against by her employers as a woman, and as an expectant mother.

I am not saying I agree with her position, but that is her position, and as she sees it, it is more than simply 'being transferred'.

[naomi24]

Troublemaker.

[Mamyalynne]

I am all for employers giving consideration to employees in certain situations, such as pregnancy in this case.

However they should be giving choices rather than reducing them or taking choice away (subject to assessments of course).

[dannyk13]

AH//PC Town was later signed off sick with depression, anxiety and migraines – which she said had been brought on by her forced job change//
How was her mental state not brought about by her change of job?

[andy-hughes]

danny - // AH//PC Town was later signed off sick with depression, anxiety and migraines – which she said had been brought on by her forced job change//
How was her mental state not brought about by her change of job? //

My point is, her reaction was not to the change of job, it was a reaction to what she perceived as the reasons for that change.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // Troublemaker. //

Her, or me???

[dannyk13]

AH, A short lesson on how the police service work:-
1. Superior officer decides to transfer you to a new position.
2.You take up your new position.

[dannyk13]

Sorry I missed No3.You do not go whinging to a tribunal.

[retrocop]

In a disciplined service you accept what has been decided for the welfare of yourself,Baby and fellow officers. I was placed on sedentary duties after a serious injury sustained on duty by Occ/Health. I hated it but realised I would be a serios liability if I remained on the front line with them.I negotiated no more than 2 weeks with the CMO and suffered no mental trauma. I did not sue the force either. Naomi is correct. A money raking trouble maker who is apparently mentally unfit to fulfil her duties.

[andres]

She told them she was pregnant in Nov. Went off sick in Dec until Feb. Was back on frontline duties in May and had baby in July.She should have lapped it up and enjoyed her time doing sedentary duties. Would she get----
Full pay when sick, Maternity pay, Maternity grant and now compo?
She wants her cake and eat it.

[retrocop]

Quite.

[Calicogirl]

What on earth would have been the matter with offering her the opportunity to take the office job if SHE wished. The issue here is not the offer but it being compulsary because some mansplaining half wit thinks it's appropriate to think he knows what's best for a woman. She was capable of deciding for herself, and apparently the tribunal agreed.
For myself if I were a policewoman and pregnant I'd jump at the office job but she didn't want to, was deemed fit for work, yet her options were removed from her. That's the only issue.

[agchristie]

I still can't get my head around the risk assessment process.

Did the two fallen female officers in the Dale Creggan case have one prior to attending the property he was at?

[Calicogirl]

Those two female officers were shot and blown apart by hand grenades- at my last reckoning having a willy doesn't make you immune to either of those things happening so a risk assessment is bit irrelevant...

[agchristie]

Calicogirl,my point remains that PC Town would not know what level of danger she may encounter on the beat no matter what a risk assessment matrix would reveal.

[Calicogirl]

No quite but the tribunal has established that she is entitled to decide for herself whether that risk is something she wishes to take and not be prevented from doing so ' for her own good'. Do people not understand that women do not wish to be 'protected from themselves' and exactly how patronising and absurd that seems.
Now if she was immobile, very ill or unable to do her job fair enough but she was four weeks pregnant when this transpired, so it's simply a matter of male control, and that's what is wrong and why the tribunal found the way they did.

[naomi24]

AH at 17.24. Her.