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No alternative model attracted a majority.
The House was agreed, however, that there'll be no fireworks and festivity on the 29th and reiterates its determination that under no circumstances will it allow a "No Deal" Brexit
The House was agreed, however, that there'll be no fireworks and festivity on the 29th and reiterates its determination that under no circumstances will it allow a "No Deal" Brexit
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If over half the people in a room want a switch turned off and the rest want it left on then there is no resolution whereby the split can be reflected. Although I'm sure the minority will suggest leaving it on but painting it so it looks off. Or claiming it's off but welding it open. Or maybe removing the cover but leaving it operating. Perhaps taking another vote,...
08:37 Thu 28th Mar 2019
// You can (or can you not?) quit an abusive long-term relationship. //
Indeed you can, but you're clearly begging the question: I utterly reject the idea that being in the EU was akin to such a relationship. Nor was it miserable and unsatisfactory. At the very least, the UK was clearly in two minds on the issue, a split that deserves to be reflected in any resolution. So far as I can see, the only way it's possible to resolve that split is for one side or the other within the UK to abandon their principles and their beliefs.
The biggest problem with today, in my mind at least, is not so much that it happened but that it happened far too late. The UK should have come to agreement with itself, as best it could, then we should have gone to the EU with that agreement. In the event, these two processes have happened in exactly the opposite order, assuming the UK even reaches self-consensus at all, which is unlikely: all the last three years appear to have done is entrench the positions even further. In as much as it's ever possible for me to understand Brexit supporters, I can see why their positions have hardened, and that is not meant as a criticism.
Indeed you can, but you're clearly begging the question: I utterly reject the idea that being in the EU was akin to such a relationship. Nor was it miserable and unsatisfactory. At the very least, the UK was clearly in two minds on the issue, a split that deserves to be reflected in any resolution. So far as I can see, the only way it's possible to resolve that split is for one side or the other within the UK to abandon their principles and their beliefs.
The biggest problem with today, in my mind at least, is not so much that it happened but that it happened far too late. The UK should have come to agreement with itself, as best it could, then we should have gone to the EU with that agreement. In the event, these two processes have happened in exactly the opposite order, assuming the UK even reaches self-consensus at all, which is unlikely: all the last three years appear to have done is entrench the positions even further. In as much as it's ever possible for me to understand Brexit supporters, I can see why their positions have hardened, and that is not meant as a criticism.
I voted to leave the EU mainly, if ironically, because I want the rules under which I live to be determined by representatives I elect and, as importantly, unelect (if that's a word).
No part of that decision was based on hostility to "Europe". My position has not "hardened", except that in the failure to negotiate a mutually beneficial deal on the terms of trade post-Brexit which provided an "orderly" exit, then I now prefer a "No Deal" exit will entail totally unnecessary short-term disruption.
No part of that decision was based on hostility to "Europe". My position has not "hardened", except that in the failure to negotiate a mutually beneficial deal on the terms of trade post-Brexit which provided an "orderly" exit, then I now prefer a "No Deal" exit will entail totally unnecessary short-term disruption.
If over half the people in a room want a switch turned off and the rest want it left on then there is no resolution whereby the split can be reflected. Although I'm sure the minority will suggest leaving it on but painting it so it looks off. Or claiming it's off but welding it open. Or maybe removing the cover but leaving it operating. Perhaps taking another vote, or dismissing the very idea of turning it off. Perhaps it could be discussed further by a committee made up of mostly on supporters and a few off supporters ?
They haven't taken control of Brexit, they took control of what the House would discuss. The political system is quite complicated and it's difficult to know how and when a government is allowed to govern and when the rest of the House can prevent it. There often seems to be disagreement on what takes priority.
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