Ban The Unvaccinated From Public.

[spathiphyllum]

Thank god. The state finally implementing some restrictions for these unfortunate kids with thick as muck parents.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7xngvg/kentucky-judge-rules-against-unvaccinated-student-who-was-banned-from-school?utm_source=vicefbus&fbclid=IwAR0bY9iTVI9fhdt9vakM12lLQJafKi426tzYSx941SLbXYCjeTMaSjqmu18

Yes this is in Kentucky but don't fry me, chicken.

[Togo]

//togo this is for the health of the entire worlds population.//

Bunkum. How many of the migrants that you feel such empathy for have had a full range of vaccinations? Sanctimony writ large.

[Mamyalynne]

^ scare mongering

[Calicogirl]

Also Spath it's 'Tetanus'... just sayin'.

I'm pro vaccination, but again not about to support witch hunts against people who choose not to vaccinate on health grounds, and you show a shocking lack of understanding about anaphylaxis and the way a person's immune system works who has an anaphylactic reaction.

[New Judge]

//I've had all my vaccinations that you get as a child. Hepatitis, tetnis etc..//

Then you've no need to worry about mixing with those who haven't, have you. The only people who suffer from your "Thick Parent Syndrome" are the children of those parents. Isolating them from the rest of the world is unnecessary because the only people who will suffer are those similarly afflicted.

[dannyk13]

Spath, could you explain how you are going ti identify who has, and who has not had all necessary vaccinations.Really, your suggestion is preposterous.

[ummmm]

Not always the case, NJ, my son got mumps and he was fully vaccinated. My Dr was quite shocked.

[pixie374]

I'm generally pro-vaccination, but definitely not making it compulsory. In the UK, we don't even routinely vaccinate against chicken pox, so I'm not sure why you are so intent on it being forced in other countries?

[woofgang]

I know I have said this before but here in the UK the introduction of the multi vector vaccination was very badly handled by Public Health. The attitude at the time was "now we know best, parents don't have to worry their pretty little heads about this just trust us" At the same time Tony Blair declined to state whether or not his own children had received the vaccine which was both stupid and unhelpful. Honestly I din't think that matters have improved a lot. Last year when the adjuvant flu vaccine was introduced, the NHS were continuing with the bull that the worst reaction would be a sore arm....in the US government's description of the potential reaction to the same vaccine was dealt with much more honestly.

[pixie374]

In fact, the NHS believes a chicken pox vaccination would put the public at more risk...
https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/childrens-health/why-are-children-in-the-uk-not-vaccinated-against-chickenpox/

[Togo]

Precisely Woof. I have my flu jab every year...………...can I insist that all those who don't are confined to home in case they have the flu?

[dannyk13]

woofgang, I have had the flu vaccine every year since it was introduced and have not suffered any ill effects, not even a sore arm.

[goodgoalie]

As possibly one of the few on AB who have actually had measles (when I was six), I can confirm just how unpleasant this disease is, and I count myself lucky not to have suffered any long-lasting problems such as pneumonia and encephalitis. Andrew Wakefield has a lot to answer for; and it is hugely worrying that although discredited and struck off, he is being fêted in the US, and the anti-vaxers are receiving support from Trump, among others.

[NellieMay]

There are plenty of people who are advised not to have certain vaccines because of their own health problems or previous reactions to vaccines - not always to do with allergies.

Why should non vaccinated children not be allowed in schools. Surely they only prove a danger for the other kids who are not vaccinated

[dannyk13]

gg, I also had measles, and mumps and diphtheria as a child, but this was before the innovation of the NHS.

[woofgang]

danny my sister never does. I always get around 12 hours of feeling a bit rough but nothing to write home about. This year I was in bed for 3 days apart from staggering to the loo and back and tired and without appetite (unheard of!) for about a week after that. My sis was staying with me at the time and got the very next vac out of the box at the same chemist and had nary a problem. I knew that there was a different one for o'65's this year but hadn't troubled to do any investigating about the difference until after I had been ill and was back on my feet again so I didn't think myself into it. I will be having the vac this year despite this because I have had real flu twice and don't want it again.

[Togo]

Strangely enough Danny my younger siblings had mumps, measles, chicken pox, and other dreadful lurgies, whilst I did not contract any of them. Was it all my fault?

[jno]

Tony Blair declined to state whether or not his own children had received the vaccine which was both stupid and unhelpful

I don't know, I remember Gummer showing off his daughter eating a burger to prove that BSE wasn't a problem, and wishing he wasn't politicising his kids, however good the cause (eat the burger yourself, idiot). So I think Blair (who had particular reasons for keeping his kids out of the limelight) did the right thing, even though it wasn't helppful.

[gness]

"Probably, I'm not sure." "So I don't know...but probably."

Probably isn't good enough......Shouldn't you make sure, Spath.... before you put the rest of us at risk?

[woofgang]

gg I have had measles, german measles and chicken pox. There were no vacs when I was a child, instead some families used to organise parties to share the virus around and get the illnesses over in childhood. I never went to one as my mother didn't believe in them. I have also had two vaccinations against german measles as I used to work in the NHS and when I was tested, the result came up as though I had never had them. Several years later when I rejoined the NHS I was tested again and vacced again and this happened a third time when I rejoined again....that time they decided not to vac again as they had the record that two vacs had not worked.

[New Judge]

"Not always the case, NJ, my son got mumps and he was fully vaccinated."

Then people are always liable to contract mumps whether or not they've been vaccinated. Your son could well have caught it from somebody who similarly believed he was protected.

There are enough ways that the State tells its citizens what's best for them. They should be provided with sensible information but left to make their own judgements and decisions.

The idea of compulsorily injecting people with low-strength doses of disease and threatening them with quarantine if they fail to comply is the stuff of nightmares. I have related on here before that at the age of about nineteen I had a 'flu injection at work. I had to be taken home and was off work for the best part of three weeks (the idea of the jab was to save the gov'nor money in sick pay!). I had a similar (though not so serious) reaction when I had a typhoid jab some years ago. For that reason I steer very clear of 'flu jabs despite my GP pestering me every year. I've had "proper" 'flu (not "man 'flu") twice in my life and whilst it is deeply unpleasant it is nowhere near so as the three weeks I spent following my one and only jab. I've made my own decision on the matter and that's how it should be. Parents make decisions on behalf of their children with the best of intentions. I cannot imagine many do so in order to deliberately imperil them. Hopefully they will get it right but sometimes they may get it wrong. That's the way life is. Labelling them "Thick as Mud" because they make decisions for their children which may not concur with "experts" is not very helpful.