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May & Her Brexit
It is alleged that she not only doesn't want it, she is and has been actively working to prevent it. Would you not agree?
http:// theback bencher .co.uk/ opinion -theres a-may-r igged-h er-cabi net-aga inst-br exit/
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.Out of interest, Jim.... //There's no such thing as a "Remainer Brexit" -- it's a contradiction in terms//
It seems you are now suggesting we either leave or remain? And there is no in between. The other day, you were saying (paraphrasing) that there are no absolutes and compromise is possible.
Which is it?
It seems you are now suggesting we either leave or remain? And there is no in between. The other day, you were saying (paraphrasing) that there are no absolutes and compromise is possible.
Which is it?
// A Remainer Brexit... is where we remain but remainers can pretend otherwise since the nation's name has been removed from the membership list. //
We don't remain unless we have a say in the future direction of the EU, which is to say remaining officially members of the EU. The Withdrawal Agreement ensures that this will not be the case. It therefore isn't a "Remainer Brexit". Nor is it anything close to what Remainers wanted -- even if it does reflect what they feared.
We don't remain unless we have a say in the future direction of the EU, which is to say remaining officially members of the EU. The Withdrawal Agreement ensures that this will not be the case. It therefore isn't a "Remainer Brexit". Nor is it anything close to what Remainers wanted -- even if it does reflect what they feared.
Can I just state, categorically, that whatever impression my answer to Khandro may have given, it was designed to convey my feelings that Brexit was never going to be easy with a pro EU Govt. It was, categorically, not designed to convey that I think TM is actively plotting to subvert politicians or the Govt at large. She’s no need to. The MPs who continually fail to vote for any of her proposals are doing that. Unless you believe she is commanding them to vote that way. If you are, then I suggest you go have your bumps felt.
I trust that’s unequivocal.
I trust that’s unequivocal.
I'm not sure that's a fair reading of what I'm saying. A compromise, whatever that entails, isn't the same thing as a "remainer Brexit", which when it's been used in this thread seems to clearly indicate some underhand "plot". A compromise between the two sides, if properly achieved, would at least be more honest than that.
As to NJ's question: the Backstop puts Northern Ireland in the position of being free to trade both with the EU and with the UK even as their customs arrangements start to diverge. This *does* reduce the advantage of being inside the Single Market, because at least one country, or region, then exists that is both inside and outside the SM at the same time. It's not a situation that the EU would want to continue indefinitely.
Well, perhaps not, pixie. But at the very least let's allow that Remain voters also dislike the WA on its own (lack of) merits too. Doesn't give them what they want any more than it gives Leavers what they might have wanted. Whether some other deal exists that satisfies we'll have to wait and see, but perhaps it requires Brexiteers to accept that leaving the EU is a process rather than a single event.
TJM: "The MPs who continually fail to vote for any of her proposals are doing that. Unless you believe she is commanding them to vote that way. If you are, then I suggest you go have your bumps felt." - not commanding but presenting such unpalatable tish that even MPs' integrity is not low enough to let it pass. The PM is quite cleverly engineering her way to No Brexit or at the very least Brino. Even I prefer to stay than her non "deal".
I wish the "withdrawal agreement" (all 600 pages of it) were described as what it is: a legally binding treaty, and one which we cannot terminate unilaterally.
Meanwhile let's think of an alternative name and use for twenty-eight page postscript pretentiously named "the political decalaration" which purports to set the parameters of our future relationship with the EU.
And a postscript of my own: on Sky the recently ennobled Baroness Chakrabati has described the May/Corbett discussions as "respectful", "friendly" and "unproductive". Soemthing to do with "intransigence" I think.
Meanwhile let's think of an alternative name and use for twenty-eight page postscript pretentiously named "the political decalaration" which purports to set the parameters of our future relationship with the EU.
And a postscript of my own: on Sky the recently ennobled Baroness Chakrabati has described the May/Corbett discussions as "respectful", "friendly" and "unproductive". Soemthing to do with "intransigence" I think.
To clear the air a little I will ask again, how much of a compromise would have been considered had the result been 52:48 to remain. I can give you my guess: absolutely none whatsoever. We would have simply continued as full members with no changes at all. Quite why any consideration is given to the remain contingent is quite beyond my understanding. We're either in or we're out and anything that ties us to the EU, its legislation or its institutions is not "out".
It's convenient for Remainers to have this facility available (i.e. to "Leave" whilst not actually leaving). It's a luxury not afforded to Leavers.
It's convenient for Remainers to have this facility available (i.e. to "Leave" whilst not actually leaving). It's a luxury not afforded to Leavers.