Should This Lot Be Called Status Quo Uk?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48021730
Surely the last thing they want is change? They all crave continuing vassalage to the EUSSR.

[pixie374]

I would go for a Brexit Party, if anything, ich. They might do what we want plus think about changing the system. I certainly have no time for hypocrites who vote and then want it overruled.

[ichkeria]

The Brexit party tho as I said before are just that: Brexit. What’s more they stand for a Brexit of the sort that simply isn’t going to happen now. The only Brexit that is going to happen is either one with the political extension negotiated by the main parties or the one negotiated already with the EU and perhaps our to a referendum. That’s reality, even if the Brexit party “wins” a European election.
But even if it did achieve its flavour of Brexit, what would be the point of them after that?
So by all means vote for the Brexit Party as a protest vote but that is all it will be.

[pixie374]

A protest vote might be the only option for a lot of us with nobody genuine to vote for. That is not true about it "not going to happen ". It is still perfectly possible... it may not be a way that you personally like, but either way, they have to just get it done now.

[Spicerack]

//Labour did away with University Constituencies among other changes.//

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

[jim360]

It's a very short-termist party to be sure. As soon as Brexit is done, one way or another, its fate is bound to be the same as UKIP following 2016. Kind of the problem with one-issue parties.

Having said that it's hard for me to think of any other party that people passionate about Brexit could vote for right now, unless you have a pragmatic approach to leaving the EU, ie something close to JRM's more recent pronouncements on the matter.

[ichkeria]

Yes but “get it done” means the options I described earlier. The Brexit Party want the sort of Brexit that would have happened by default if there was no agreement by a deadline. So they don’t, presumably, want to “get it done”. They may presumably have other things in their manifesto, but as Brexit is their be-all and end-all those things are doomed to be just padding.
They are different from UKIP though: more like the old referendum party. So I’d be reluctant to write them off as the bunch of loonies many of the UKIP crowd unfortunately are. To give him his due, Farage is a class above that lot, whatever you think of his views.

[pixie374]

A one issue party is sometimes exactly what we need to get the job done- like UKIP, as you suggest. It is a shame the Tories have no integrity whatsoever, but if someone else needs to take over to stop all the prevaricating and fudging, fine. A few more choices to vote for can only be a positive in any case.

[jim360]

I think my intrinsic problem with the Brexit Party more than anything else is that "getting the job done" ought to be for an actual reason, not just for its own sake. What is the point of Brexit? Shouldn't a party that wants to deliver Brexit also have a plan for the future afterwards?

[pixie374]

Getting the job done is what everyone has failed to do so far... it is not just "for it's own sake". It is because that is what people want. They need to do their jobs now.

[jim360]

On the off-chance that you're still interested T^3 then the website is actually up now.

[david small]

Oh my, another load of political shenanigans that we are meant to believe. Been there, done that....

[New Judge]

//"getting the job done" ought to be for an actual reason, not just for its own sake.//

At the risk of sounding flippant, the reasons for Brexit have been rehearsed, played, moved round the country in "rep", had a stint in the West End and made into a book. The majority of the electorate who took the trouble to vote when asked agreed there was a good reason. Times move on and the reasons they accepted have not changed. All that's changed is that the EU has made known the conditions they wish to impose in return for our permission to leave and they are predictably dire. That's an even stronger reason to leave.

[-Talbot-]

When I hear that 70% of pick pockets caught on the London Underground are Romanian it kind makes me want Brexit




Well, that's different from a remain candidate.

[fender62]

-Talbot- remainers do not see pickpockets from romania or any of the x soviet block, let alone x amount of eu criminals in jail or on the street
either pimps or drug dealers, small change compared to the benefits of being in the eu, easer travel no inconvenience, so worth it compared to a few beggars on the underground and the drug dealers and pimpsless it's there daughter on the drugs and being pimped, small change.

[New Judge]

"easer travel no inconvenience"

How much inconvenience do you suffer when travelling to a non-EU country which requires no visa, then? There are huge numbers of such countries. These include most of Central and South America, the southernmost countries of Africa, Australasia and Canada. In fact even when a visa is required there are only 33 countries which require an application to made in advance of travel.

There is virtually no chance of visa requirements being introduced for travel to the remaining EU countries, whatever the terms the UK leaves on. So just how would Brexit introduce inconvenience to your travel arrangements?

[klazomaniac]

Anna Soubry has more chance of platting fog, before that *&^% gets my vote !

[Theland]

Don't understand why more calls for a second vote, by those who want to keep us in an undemocratic system.
What am I missing?

[ichkeria]

I don’t think “easier travel” has ever been a serious aspiration that “remainers” hanker after.
It’s more to do with work opportunity.
As a matter of fact there’s every chance of long stay visas being introduced in EU countries with a no deal Brexit and possibly even with