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Even their "leader" told voters to vote for the Lib NonDems! PMSL!
Even their "leader" told voters to vote for the Lib NonDems! PMSL!
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For MPs who have been in Parliament for a while Change UK did appallingly.
If they were that popular they would have MEPs and stomped home. NF has never been a UK MP and look how the Brexit Party did all on the back of NF name and the message it has.
The ‘pundits’ are saying remain got more votes because they conveniently disregard Labour as a leave party.
Both Conservatives and Labour campaigned (in all the elections I have seen) as leave. They might have had different ideas on how but leave they were. So add that and leave had something like 58.2%
London will have a while of navel gazing, reinvent themselves and come back eventually. The two party system is too entrenched to change with any speed but there will be a hiccup.
If they were that popular they would have MEPs and stomped home. NF has never been a UK MP and look how the Brexit Party did all on the back of NF name and the message it has.
The ‘pundits’ are saying remain got more votes because they conveniently disregard Labour as a leave party.
Both Conservatives and Labour campaigned (in all the elections I have seen) as leave. They might have had different ideas on how but leave they were. So add that and leave had something like 58.2%
London will have a while of navel gazing, reinvent themselves and come back eventually. The two party system is too entrenched to change with any speed but there will be a hiccup.
Anna ‘I’ve been snivelling, whinging and whining for nearly 3 years now’ Soubry, will blame anybody and everybody when she doesn’t get what she wants.
Every time a result was announced last night, and Change UK more or less got nil points, I laughed like a drain!
I really can’t see them coming back from this, so yes, they will probably disappear into oblivion.
Hopefully she will too.
Every time a result was announced last night, and Change UK more or less got nil points, I laughed like a drain!
I really can’t see them coming back from this, so yes, they will probably disappear into oblivion.
Hopefully she will too.
//Actually it would be interesting to see how the Change MPs constituents voted this week... //
this information is available in the map on this page -
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but it's not terribly accessible. before I got fed up with it, I did discover that Heidi Allen's constituency mostly voted Lib-Dem, and Ana Soubry's voted mostly Brexit.
this information is available in the map on this page -
https:/
but it's not terribly accessible. before I got fed up with it, I did discover that Heidi Allen's constituency mostly voted Lib-Dem, and Ana Soubry's voted mostly Brexit.
//I don't think anyone can seriously claim votes for Labour were entirely votes to leave the EU.//
Indeed not. Nor those for the Conservatives. It's probably true that in normal circumstances about 50% of those voting for those parties would be Leavers. But these are not normal circumstances and a good number of Leavers who would normally vote for the two main protagonists probably defected to Brexit. Nonetheless, those two parties had leaving the EU as their manifesto commitment. The Labour manifesto said they would not endorse leaving without a deal but the Conservatives included no such caveat.
But, as I continue to contend, it is academic. The country voted to leave and if we are not to be seen in the same light as many other EU countries who were forced to "vote again" on EU matters when the correct answer was not forthcoming, leave we must.
Indeed not. Nor those for the Conservatives. It's probably true that in normal circumstances about 50% of those voting for those parties would be Leavers. But these are not normal circumstances and a good number of Leavers who would normally vote for the two main protagonists probably defected to Brexit. Nonetheless, those two parties had leaving the EU as their manifesto commitment. The Labour manifesto said they would not endorse leaving without a deal but the Conservatives included no such caveat.
But, as I continue to contend, it is academic. The country voted to leave and if we are not to be seen in the same light as many other EU countries who were forced to "vote again" on EU matters when the correct answer was not forthcoming, leave we must.
In between the times when other countries had a referendum that rejected something the EU offered, what happened is that the EU and the relevant country/countries renegotiated, so that the second referendum was on a revised offer. I have pointed out earlier that in most cases, the second referendum tended to see the revised deal accepted with (a) a larger majority than that which rejected the first version, and (b) an increased turnout.
It's not a question of "voting again until you give the right answer". In between times, the question, and the details, had changed.
It's not a question of "voting again until you give the right answer". In between times, the question, and the details, had changed.
Change UK may be for the future. This election came too soon for them and they were badly caught out by a series of wrong footings of their own making and by the Lib Dems, who out a simple antiBrexit message.
You feel tho that more defections may be coming : whether they go to Change UK is another matter
You feel tho that more defections may be coming : whether they go to Change UK is another matter
It’s a slight economy with the truth Nigel was employing when he said the party was formed only six weeks ago: he’s been planning this for months (to his credit) and the party has effectively been going nearly 4 months. Still impressive I don’t deny.
When I said the election had come too early for Ch UK I meant not just in terms of organisation but that they may be a party more for the future when politics has settled down a little and the Brexit Party is less relevant.
But the early omens I agree are not good for it.
When I said the election had come too early for Ch UK I meant not just in terms of organisation but that they may be a party more for the future when politics has settled down a little and the Brexit Party is less relevant.
But the early omens I agree are not good for it.
Part of the reason is that it's simply easier for a "Do Brexit NOW" party to corner the market than a "stop Brexit and also a tonne of other things" party, which somehow has to argue that the Greens, LibDems, etc, are also part of the rotten system. And I don't think they could sell that very well.
Change UK would, in my opinion, have been better off staying out of the EU elections altogether, and focusing on Westminster politics for the time being. I also think they should have stuck to being called TIG, I'd like to have seen them working with, rather than against, the LibDems, and ... well, a whole bunch of other things differently. I still think that there's a case to be made for a new centrist party, made up of the non-extreme Labour/Tory components, and it may even be needed more than ever in the short term, but I'm somewhat saddened to see this group waste that opportunity.
Change UK would, in my opinion, have been better off staying out of the EU elections altogether, and focusing on Westminster politics for the time being. I also think they should have stuck to being called TIG, I'd like to have seen them working with, rather than against, the LibDems, and ... well, a whole bunch of other things differently. I still think that there's a case to be made for a new centrist party, made up of the non-extreme Labour/Tory components, and it may even be needed more than ever in the short term, but I'm somewhat saddened to see this group waste that opportunity.
"Bet Nigel is worried now ,easy to be critical of others but when it you who has to do things different matter ."
Whilst that may be true of many career politicians I suspect it is not of Sit Nige.
Things are a changing, many are fed up with the Metropolitan Liberal elite. This is not just about Brexit.
Whilst that may be true of many career politicians I suspect it is not of Sit Nige.
Things are a changing, many are fed up with the Metropolitan Liberal elite. This is not just about Brexit.
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