Jo Brand - Comedy Or Incitement?

[agchristie]

When is comedy not comedy?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7133231/Jo-Brand-jokes-throwing-battery-acid-unpleasant-politicians.html

[spathiphyllum]

I said..

"What Jo Brand said offended 19 people, not a large % of the audience at all.
"

It certainly offended 19 people. Any more i can't be certain. It's simply speculation. However it's a fact only 19 people were offended to the point of saying something, which proves true offence and not just a quick thought of "oh that's a bit harsh".

"not a large % of the audience at all. "

Fact.

Anyhow, that statement from my answer doesn't affect my conclusion as a whole which was "There for, this comedy is not comparable to racism, sexism, social stereotyping or any other comedy of a "by gone era".".

So no, i have to say it is your opinion, and not a fact that my conclusion is invalid.

[spathiphyllum]

You could change "only 19 people were offended" to .. "Only 19 people bothered to air the fact they were offended" Which means only 19 people were offended enough to actually do something about it, or at least try.

[andy-hughes]

spath - // However it's a fact only 19 people were offended to the point of saying something, which proves true offence and not just a quick thought of "oh that's a bit harsh". //

It doesn't prove that at all!!

People who complain officially may have complained because they don;t like Jo Brand, or the programme, or the BBC, or they simply like complaining.

People who don;t complain officially may be offended to the max, but simply not bother to complain, or lack the time, or the ability, or the technology ...

You cannot take the statistic ot 19 people and use it as a 'set in stone' measure of a lack of offence, it's not valid.

[andy-hughes]

spath - // You could change "only 19 people were offended" to .. "Only 19 people bothered to air the fact they were offended" Which means only 19 people were offended enough to actually do something about it, or at least try. //

You cross-posted, and have actually agreed with my point.

It's not for me to change it - you said it, I merely disproved it - you can retract or amend it if you wish.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes
Spicerack - // Brand urged her admirers to post dog-*** through their letter boxes.
Incitement or more hilarity? //

/// Neither I would suggest. ///

/// I don't think Ms. Brand is in the business of 'urging' anyone, much less her 'followers' - she's a comedian, not Richard The Lionheart! ///

What has Richard the Lionheart got to do with this thread? Talk about diversions.

Yes she may be a comedian but even that is up for debate, but one cannot get away from the fact that she is very much in the limelight, especially by her admirers,and to urge them to post dog-*** through certain letter boxes, is okay for you is it?

[Zacs-Master]

'she is very much in the limelight, especially by her admirer'

She's either in the limelight (very visible) or not.

[spathiphyllum]

Andy that statement doesn’t disprove my conclusion regarding comedy from a by gone era

[anotheoldgit]

spathiphyllum
/// As an advocate for the freedom of speech and expression, AOG (especially when referring to your religious and political beliefs) I'm surprised you're taking such objection to the joke Jo made. ///

I agree I am certainly an advocate for the freedom of speech and expression, but it is the sheer hypocrisy and double standard that are shown by some on here that I disapprove of.

Not to say of some's idea of what they class as a joke

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// I think you will find yourself in a minority in that wish. ///

Really??? have you then carried out a poll amongst the British public on that one?

[anotheoldgit]

spathiphyllum

/// Racism offends the entire audience or at least a mahoosive %.. What Jo said certainly does not. ///

All depends on what some class as racism doesn't it? Some class any criticism against certain races as racism, when it is not since there are plenty of other countries and even our own citizens from those country's and those born here, who regularly criticise this country over certain things and then get away with it, with no such labels as racism attached.

[Zacs-Master]

Whilst any criticism against certain races is not racism, criticising your own race isn't racism, AOG. This typifies your lack of understanding of what racism actually is.

[ludwig]

Anyway, here's a joke to lighten the mood a bit.

Jo Brand is so fat she left the house in high heels and when she came back she had on flip flops.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// which relied almost entirely on racism, sexism and social stereotyping of a sort that is not considered acceptable in modern society. ///

I cannot comment about racist comedy, because that is in the mind of those wishing mainly to be offended on behalf of others.

But as regards sexism and social stereotyping, you cannot watch much comedy because those subjects are all part and partial of any comedian's package of jokes.

You must watch Live at the Apollo sometime.

[spathiphyllum]

"All depends on what some class as racism doesn't it? "

Yes.

And people do not class inciting violence (or potentially inciting violence) as a racist crime, nor as a hate crime. Especially since the target of this violence was Tory MP's, who come from a variety of races.

[ludwig]

Jo brand is so fat, I swerved to miss her in my car and ran out of petrol.

[anotheoldgit]

spathiphyllum

/// Do you remember the slave trade? ///

How pathetic, but to humour you I will go to the trouble and answer your question.

"No, and neither can anyone who is living today".

Unless of course you are referring to today's slave trade, but then to mention those who are committing this crime would be construed by some as being racist.

[tamborine]

stupid ignorant & not funny. An apology acknowleging the horror of acid on any creature would be welcome.

[spathiphyllum]

""No, and neither can anyone who is living today"."

OK.. what i meant was, are you aware of the racial profiling notoriously associated to the slave trade, where Europeans would steal, swap and trade western black Africans?

[anotheoldgit]

spathiphyllum
/// But even if they're not frowned upon, it's different when you'r eall from GB and you're all the same skin colour. The only thing that defines us is accents and post code. ///

There are many skin colours that are all from GB, and I am sure those that happen to have non white skin colours, would be most offended that you class them as not coming from the GB.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - // What has Richard the Lionheart got to do with this thread? Talk about diversions. //

It's to do with 'followers' - sorry if the reference was too oblique for you.

// Yes she may be a comedian but even that is up for debate, but one cannot get away from the fact that she is very much in the limelight, especially by her admirers,and to urge them to post dog-*** through certain letter boxes, is okay for you is it? //

You really must stop trying to put observations I have not offered as though I have offered them, and then argue with me - it's tedious and pointless.