Jo Brand - Comedy Or Incitement?

[agchristie]

When is comedy not comedy?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7133231/Jo-Brand-jokes-throwing-battery-acid-unpleasant-politicians.html

[spathiphyllum]

omg Andy that was jokes, you've just reminded me of comedy gold.

[pixie374]

Jimmy Carr can be fairly off the edge sometimes, but it's an act and imo, at least, has never given me the feeling he actually means it.

[spathiphyllum]

"True - some do far worse - remember Frankie Boyle's reference to Katie Price being attacked by her disabled son? "

He went a bit further than that, if my memory is correct. It wasn't reference to her begin attacked, but raped. At least in the version i heard. Horrific out of context, but shockingly hilarious from Boyles mouth.

[andy-hughes]

spath - // He went a bit further than that, if my memory is correct. It wasn't reference to her begin attacked, but raped. At least in the version i heard. Horrific out of context, but shockingly hilarious from Boyles mouth. //

I did know that, and avoided it for reasons that I think it inappropriate to mention on here, but it's there now.

As for you finding it 'shockingly hilarious' - that simply underlines the point that one person's humour is another person's shock and disgust.

[naomi24]

Pixie, //Anyone can hear it, but their actions don't make it her fault.//

In the event that 'incitement' was responsible, that's debateable.

[andy-hughes]

I still cannot reconcile the notion that any comedian or indeed any individual, can be held responsible for the behaviour of someone else - it simply does not hold up.

Yes Jo Brand's comments may be heard or read by people of less sanity than others, but you can argue that about anything said anywhere at any time by anyone - that's the world we live in.

[pixie374]

I know, naomi. That's why I don't agree with "incitement" in the first place. How do you force an adult to do something they don't already want to?
I wouldn't find that funny at all, spath... but each to their own. I wouldn't complain about something that isn't even meant.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // Pixie, //Anyone can hear it, but their actions don't make it her fault.//

In the event that 'incitement' was responsible, that's debateable. //

Then you have to pin down exactly where an observation stops and incitement begins - which is rather like plaiting fog.

[andy-hughes]

I cross-posted with pixie (Hi Pix!!), but we are essentially making the same point.

Naomi, you are fine with the concept that the Koran 'incites' Islamists, but the majority of the world don't interpret its messages that way.

This is simply a more modest example of the same scenario - you can call anything 'incitement' of you want it to back up your view on something.

[naomi24]

//you can argue that about anything said anywhere at any time by anyone//

And we do. Shamima Begum was ‘radicalised’. How many times have we read that her decision to go off to Syria to marry a jihadist wasn’t her fault?

[naomi24]

Pixie, //How do you force an adult to do something they don't already want to? //

It isn't a case of 'forcing' anyone. It's planting an idea.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // /you can argue that about anything said anywhere at any time by anyone//

And we do. Shamima Begum was ‘radicalised’. How many times have we read that her decision to go off to Syria to marry a jihadist wasn’t her fault? //

I think that is steering the thread off-topic, and into an area that will cause it to be derailed and deleted - 'incitement' if you like (!), so I'm not going to pursue it.

[pixie374]

Hi Andy :-) x
Yes, we are not able to "brainwash" people literally. It has been tried so many times over the past (particularly with the military) and never succeeded yet. Even hypnosis only works if the person is willing. Otherwise, people look (subconsciously maybe) for excuses to do what they really want. Why allow them an excuse?

[pixie374]

That was her choice, naomi. Although to be fair, I was referring to adults in particular.

[naomi24]

AH, I would remind you that you introduced Islam into this thread.

[naomi24]

Pixie, I think it was her choice too. Others say it wasn't. That's the point.

[pixie374]

The principle is the same anyway. Anyone who is legally an adult is responsible for their own actions, criminal actions if you are over ten. The only exceptions are certain illnesses, conditions.

[pixie374]

Probably because she was not officially an adult, naomi, so that is more debatable, although the age of criminal responsibility is 10, so in my view, she was old enough to make that decision and understand it.

[naomi24]

Pixie, I'm not sure why you're talking about 'adults'. Jo Brands 'humour' isn't restricted to the over 18s.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // AH, I would remind you that you introduced Islam into this thread. //

No need for the formality, we're not in court.

My point was in context - referring to the concept of 'incitement' - yours referred to an entirely separate strand of debate, which is why I declined to follow it.