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Jo Brand - Comedy Or Incitement?
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Jess Phillips MP has a lively if edgy wit. But that's good, isn't it?
Want some one-liners out of the Phillips Christmas cracker box?
"I wouldn't stab Jeremy Corbyn in the back, I'd stab him in the front".
That's a cracker (groan) innit?
Here's another. When asked to comment on the 1,400 German women assaulted and robbed, surrounded by Muslim gangs and in some dozen cases raped (that's real rape if you know the difference, or care about it) in Cologne New Year's Eve 2014 Ms ("I burst into tears after those horrible tweets. Pass me a hanky, Vicky") Phillips quipped:
"1,400 hundred? Sounds like a normal Friday night in Broad Street[Birmingham] to me".
Want some one-liners out of the Phillips Christmas cracker box?
"I wouldn't stab Jeremy Corbyn in the back, I'd stab him in the front".
That's a cracker (groan) innit?
Here's another. When asked to comment on the 1,400 German women assaulted and robbed, surrounded by Muslim gangs and in some dozen cases raped (that's real rape if you know the difference, or care about it) in Cologne New Year's Eve 2014 Ms ("I burst into tears after those horrible tweets. Pass me a hanky, Vicky") Phillips quipped:
"1,400 hundred? Sounds like a normal Friday night in Broad Street[Birmingham] to me".
^That was from the hilarious thread where you were making up scenarios of what probably/obviously happened.
This was your 56th post; // I was unaware of any video footage of the incident.
I will be looking at the clip as soon as I have waded through all the posts that have addressed my position while I have been out.//
^After 55 posts telling people, who had watched the video, they didn't have a clue what had happened. Lolz.
Shame a thread that had been running for 2 days got shut down 20 minutes later. You'd just had time to watch the video and were probably looking forward to apologising to everybody.
This was your 56th post; // I was unaware of any video footage of the incident.
I will be looking at the clip as soon as I have waded through all the posts that have addressed my position while I have been out.//
^After 55 posts telling people, who had watched the video, they didn't have a clue what had happened. Lolz.
Shame a thread that had been running for 2 days got shut down 20 minutes later. You'd just had time to watch the video and were probably looking forward to apologising to everybody.
I am amazed how the lefties on here spring up in this odious unfunny woman's defence.
This woman should have been sacked by the BBC.
What would have been said if she had said:
'Why bother with a milkshake when you could get a sharp knife'?
Look at the outcry (and rightly so) when that UKIP member came out with “I wouldn’t even rape you Jess Phillips”?
Not to mention Bernard Manning and Jim Davison when they dared to tell jokes aimed at blacks and other ethnic minorities.
This woman should have been sacked by the BBC.
What would have been said if she had said:
'Why bother with a milkshake when you could get a sharp knife'?
Look at the outcry (and rightly so) when that UKIP member came out with “I wouldn’t even rape you Jess Phillips”?
Not to mention Bernard Manning and Jim Davison when they dared to tell jokes aimed at blacks and other ethnic minorities.
AOG - // I am amazed how the lefties on here spring up in this odious unfunny woman's defence.
This woman should have been sacked by the BBC. //
My defence of Jo Brand is nothing to do with politics - hers or mine - it is about a sense of proportion, context, and intent, all of which I have outlined in previous posts.
// What would have been said if she had said:
'Why bother with a milkshake when you could get a sharp knife'? //
That's another pointless debate - she didn't say that, so there is no point 'What if'ing' because it goes nowhere, we are talking about what was said, not making it up to go nowhere.
// Look at the outcry (and rightly so) when that UKIP member came out with “I wouldn’t even rape you Jess Phillips”? //
As I pointed out, there is a difference between the seriousness you can attach to a comment by a professional comdian, as against an amateur agitator - which once again comes down to proportion, context, and intent.
This woman should have been sacked by the BBC. //
My defence of Jo Brand is nothing to do with politics - hers or mine - it is about a sense of proportion, context, and intent, all of which I have outlined in previous posts.
// What would have been said if she had said:
'Why bother with a milkshake when you could get a sharp knife'? //
That's another pointless debate - she didn't say that, so there is no point 'What if'ing' because it goes nowhere, we are talking about what was said, not making it up to go nowhere.
// Look at the outcry (and rightly so) when that UKIP member came out with “I wouldn’t even rape you Jess Phillips”? //
As I pointed out, there is a difference between the seriousness you can attach to a comment by a professional comdian, as against an amateur agitator - which once again comes down to proportion, context, and intent.
The reason that radio man was sacked, is because he was heavily racist in an age where a good % of the audience he was talking to is black.
The ukip guy was sacked because he refered to raping an MP.
Jo Brand was on a comedy show, and wasn't racist, or specific about and person she was talking about. Completely different kettle of fish.
If you want to try compare things, then at least pick things on the same step of the ladder.
Put ur brain in gear instead of being a snowflake over a comedians jokes.
The ukip guy was sacked because he refered to raping an MP.
Jo Brand was on a comedy show, and wasn't racist, or specific about and person she was talking about. Completely different kettle of fish.
If you want to try compare things, then at least pick things on the same step of the ladder.
Put ur brain in gear instead of being a snowflake over a comedians jokes.
ag - // I think the BBC are content that Brand's comments are consistent with the nature of the 'Heresy' programme. //
Absolutely - it's hardly reasonable of the BBC to set up a programme whose remit is to take conversation to the edge of acceptability, and the sack someone for complying with that format - which is probably a good reason why the BBC have declined to sack Ms. Brand.
Absolutely - it's hardly reasonable of the BBC to set up a programme whose remit is to take conversation to the edge of acceptability, and the sack someone for complying with that format - which is probably a good reason why the BBC have declined to sack Ms. Brand.
//Absolutely - it's hardly reasonable of the BBC to set up a programme whose remit is to take conversation to the edge of acceptability, and the sack someone for complying with that format//
I agree. Interesting to note that by late yesterday Ofcom had only received 19 complaints which tends to endorse the view that the public at large accept the remark is not hate speech.
I agree. Interesting to note that by late yesterday Ofcom had only received 19 complaints which tends to endorse the view that the public at large accept the remark is not hate speech.
andy-hughes
/// The fact that Ms Brand, and indeed Mr Boyle, are highly successful comedians proves that they have an audience.
They may not be mutually compatible audiences, but that is the joy of humour, it's a broad church. ///
Jim Davison and Bernard Manning were also very popular and attracted huge audiences, did you also find their humour acceptable?
/// The fact that Ms Brand, and indeed Mr Boyle, are highly successful comedians proves that they have an audience.
They may not be mutually compatible audiences, but that is the joy of humour, it's a broad church. ///
Jim Davison and Bernard Manning were also very popular and attracted huge audiences, did you also find their humour acceptable?
AOG - // andy-hughes
/// The fact that Ms Brand, and indeed Mr Boyle, are highly successful comedians proves that they have an audience.
They may not be mutually compatible audiences, but that is the joy of humour, it's a broad church. ///
Jim Davison and Bernard Manning were also very popular and attracted huge audiences, did you also find their humour acceptable? //
Once again you appear to be steering the debate off-topic.
My opinions of Messrs. Davidson and Manning are not under discussion here - but since you mention them, they were extremely popular in their time, but society has moved on, and their brand of humour is largely seen as unacceptable to today's values in society.
But since we are not discussing the humour of comedians from a generation ago, I am sure we can avoid diverting the thread by discussing them further.
/// The fact that Ms Brand, and indeed Mr Boyle, are highly successful comedians proves that they have an audience.
They may not be mutually compatible audiences, but that is the joy of humour, it's a broad church. ///
Jim Davison and Bernard Manning were also very popular and attracted huge audiences, did you also find their humour acceptable? //
Once again you appear to be steering the debate off-topic.
My opinions of Messrs. Davidson and Manning are not under discussion here - but since you mention them, they were extremely popular in their time, but society has moved on, and their brand of humour is largely seen as unacceptable to today's values in society.
But since we are not discussing the humour of comedians from a generation ago, I am sure we can avoid diverting the thread by discussing them further.
ag - // One thing I don't think has been mentioned in this thread is why Danny Baker can be fired instantly by the BBC and not Jo Brand?
I don't think Baker's case can be used as any justification whatsoever for seeking Brand's removal. //
Each case is individual, obviously, but I think in the case of Danny Baker, not only did he use a spectacularly crass piece of judgement by posting the image and caption that he did, his action could be seen as far more offensive to a far larger number of people, and he then compounded his stupidity by inferring that the fault lay with the people he upset, inferring that they were racist by virtue of their interpretation of his joking reference to members of the royal family.
So on all levels, it was seen as far worse than what Ms Brand has done, and his dismissal followed.
For the record, I think it was an over-reaction by the BBC, but that was debated at length on here at the time.
I don't think Baker's case can be used as any justification whatsoever for seeking Brand's removal. //
Each case is individual, obviously, but I think in the case of Danny Baker, not only did he use a spectacularly crass piece of judgement by posting the image and caption that he did, his action could be seen as far more offensive to a far larger number of people, and he then compounded his stupidity by inferring that the fault lay with the people he upset, inferring that they were racist by virtue of their interpretation of his joking reference to members of the royal family.
So on all levels, it was seen as far worse than what Ms Brand has done, and his dismissal followed.
For the record, I think it was an over-reaction by the BBC, but that was debated at length on here at the time.
It's not as if Jo Brand is a new kid on the block. She has been around for decades and in that time one can see her style of comedy and this sort of comment is not surprising to me at all.
I would tend to view her personality when she is not performing on stage and screen as not an inciteful or vindictive person but someone who can laugh at her own shortcomings and let's not forget she has pushed her own limits to raise funds for good causes too.
I would tend to view her personality when she is not performing on stage and screen as not an inciteful or vindictive person but someone who can laugh at her own shortcomings and let's not forget she has pushed her own limits to raise funds for good causes too.
Rude, crude, obscene.....come on AOG the present generation love it and one throws a political element into the equation......the better it is.
The change in comedy started circa 60 years ago....Max Wall..the odd doubtful joke......then Bernard Manning and Chubby Brown...the F word seemingly now acceptable (even with children), it is known as "giving the audience what they want and the thoughts are that the want obscenity an Political crudeness.
Comedy or Incitement ?....Both.
The change in comedy started circa 60 years ago....Max Wall..the odd doubtful joke......then Bernard Manning and Chubby Brown...the F word seemingly now acceptable (even with children), it is known as "giving the audience what they want and the thoughts are that the want obscenity an Political crudeness.
Comedy or Incitement ?....Both.
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