Another Seemingly Weird Decision By The Courts

[Spicerack]

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/19/four-girl-gang-members-spared-jail-despite-horrific-attack-student-died-10016111/?ico=pushly-notifcation-small&utm_source=pushly

Poor girl and her family.

[naomi24]

Whatever the result of their thuggery they should have been banged up - as should anyone who behaves in the way they behaved. They're thugs.

[Sqad]

naomi....they are very , very lucky thugs.

[naomi24]

Makes me sick, sqad.

[Sqad]

naomi......yes....me too, in this case and to even contemplate that these women can be rehabilitated.....some hope.

[pixie374]

I suspect we all see them as thugs, at best. Sadly, in this country, we seem to go more by outcome than intention... so it is as it is.

[dannyk13]

Pixie //we seem to go more by outcome than intention... so it is as it is.//
So what do you think the intention may be when a girl is attacked by four other girls?

[Sqad]

danny.....I think that pixie meant that they didn't set out to kill her.........but that was the result.

[ludwig]

//I am sure everyone on here is sick of violent people, and I don't see any 'apologists' for them on here - are you seeing something different? //

My statement is simply what it says. It mentions nothing about anyone or anything that I'm seeing 'on here'.

Any contributor to this thread would either have to be slightly paranoid, or have an over-inflated sense of self importance to construe that it was aimed at them.

[pixie374]

Well, exactly, Danny... we don't worry about the intention... just how the result is.

[spathiphyllum]

We have very little info. It's all well and good saying throw em to the lions, but we have no idea on the details. We have to have faith in the justice system.

[pixie374]

Well, exactly, Danny... we don't worry about the intention... just how the result is. I have never thought it made much sense.

[spathiphyllum]

I agree with you Pixie.

I mean, i understand what happened here was not an accident.

But accidents do happen... This is why manslaughter and murder are different charges. The fact these girls got neither should be enough to let us know that there is more to the story.

[pixie374]

I think the point is, sqad... it couldn't be proven that they did. And nobody cares about intention. You get less for attempted murder than successful...

[naomi24]

Intention shouldn’t be the primary concern. The fact is these people are thugs and their actions should be dealt with severely – and the results of those actions assessed on a sliding scale. All this teaches is that they may behave in this manner - and that they can get away with it.

[spathiphyllum]

"Intention shouldn’t be the primary concern. "

I disagree. Someone who intentionally killed someone should be locked up. Someone who killed someone unintentionally, i kind of feel sorry for.

[naomi24]

spath, If you disagree you missed the bit about a sliding scale.

[pixie374]

I have no idea what their intention was- other than, obviously, to cause serious harm. I genuinely have no idea if they meant to kill her or not. And as it was around a month later that she died, it was probably hard to prove they did.
I remember a case where a driver was jailed (I think for life, but not honestly sure) for killing a 3 year old girl. He was not drunk, on drugs or speeding or otherwise driving carelessly, but went around a blind bend and hit a child in the road.
There seemed to be no thought about why a 3 year old was in the middle of a road on her own or the parents responsibility, or that he had no wish whatsoever to harm anyone... he was punished purely on the outcome.
And yet, people can make deliberate attacks and not be punished, purely because they failed. It is quite irrelevant here, but it is just odd.

[spathiphyllum]

Law and order in the UK is quite good. I trust our system to have provided the correct out come. Is it worth spending money on these girls in prison? Are they a danger to society? The courts seems to think not.

[Sqad]

The verdict was centred around the cause of the stroke, in my opinion and that presupposed a pre-existing medical condition, e.g heart problems or cerebral aneurysm and if asked, could she have had a stroke at any time, with or without the traumatic event, then the answer would be ....probably and that word "probably" or even "possibly".......saved them for a lengthy custodial sentence.

[pixie374]

It has been known for decades that females tend to come out much worse from prison than when they went in.
It depends whether you take the long or short-term view, I guess.