Mp Manhandles Protestor

[thesshhh]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9341616/climate-change-protester-philip-hammond/
Your thoughts?

[spathiphyllum]

Her views are fine, storming into a private conference was not.

[spathiphyllum]

"Yet only one reacted.Hmmm"

A lot of people in times of uncertainty usually duck behind a pillow and wait until someone takes the lead for them. It always starts with one.

[dannyk13]

AH, //As I have said before, this woman's views on climate change are not the issue here,//
See post at 13.07

[dannyk13]

Sorry ^13.09^

[andy-hughes]

ChillDoubt - // After what happened to Jo Cox, the minister was well within his rights in dealing ‘robustly’ with an unquantifiable threat. //

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Mr Field was not 'robust' in his response, he was violent, and assaulted someone and compounded that assault by frogmarching her out of the room, past security whose job it was to deal with her.

People can - and clearly are - defending his actions as though he was behaving heroically, and in the interests of saving his colleagues, but his body language and facial expression, together with his actions, show something entirely different.

// He ought not face any further sanction IMHO. //

I think the PM thinks otherwise.

[spathiphyllum]

Andy you should be in the FBI your ability to read peoples thoughts from a video is exceptional.

[bainbrig]

Just underlines the need for girls and young women to be taught the basics of self-defence. Supposing this had happened outside a pub rather than where it did?

She should have been able to elbow-punch him off and possibly kick him in the goolies.

[andy-hughes]

danny - // AH, //As I have said before, this woman's views on climate change are not the issue here,//

I have seen the post.

Personally, I don't care if her husband thinks she is a reincarnation of Vlad The Impaler, an MP assaulting a woman not acceptable behaviour - and the defences mounted on here are getting wilder and more bizarre as the thread winds on.

[andy-hughes]

spath - // Andy you should be in the FBI your ability to read peoples thoughts from a video is exceptional. //

There is nothing 'exceptional' about it - Mr Field's facial expression and body language show a man who is seriously ticked off, not a man in fear of his and others' safety.

[sanmac]

"...when clearly no-one else thought the same way, or indeed, acted in the same way." You have absolutely no idea what the others were thinking, or for that matter, what he was thinking. And quite often, when faced suddenly with an unusual situation, most people don't react.

[andy-hughes]

bainbrig - // Just underlines the need for girls and young women to be taught the basics of self-defence. Supposing this had happened outside a pub rather than where it did?

She should have been able to elbow-punch him off and possibly kick him in the goolies. //

It appears from the video evidence that she was taken completely by surprise by the force and ferocity of Mr Field's reaction, her verbal apology was ignored, and he continued to march her out of the room using inappropriate force.

[dannyk13]

AH, strange, I was thinking that about the vilification of the MP.

[andy-hughes]

sanmac - // "...when clearly no-one else thought the same way, or indeed, acted in the same way." You have absolutely no idea what the others were thinking, or for that matter, what he was thinking. And quite often, when faced suddenly with an unusual situation, most people don't react. //

That's a fair point.

My argument is that Mr Field acted without thinking, but that only explains his behaviour, it does not excuse it.

Clearly he is less keen to defend his actions than his legion of fans on here, he has apologised and referred himself to the Standards Committee - not the actions of someone who thought he behaved with dignity and restraint.

[andy-hughes]

danny - // AH, strange, I was thinking that about the vilification of the MP. //

You were thinking - what exactly?

[spathiphyllum]

"Mr Field's facial expression and body language show a man who is seriously ticked off, not a man in fear of his and others' safety."

No, i totally agree.

However i have no idea why he is that angry. It's not that vexing.

[spathiphyllum]

Some people get angry when safety is compromised.

[bainbrig]

....she was taken completely by surprise by the force and ferocity of Mr Field's reaction...

Precisely my point. Outside a pub she would have been just as surprised, and should have (a) elbowed the git very hard, and (b) done damage to his goolies.

[andy-hughes]

spath - // Some people get angry when safety is compromised. //

They do, but I don't believe this was the case here.

I believe, and of course I can't be sure, but it is my view, that he thought first and foremost that here is another batty climate change wonk, I'll have her out of here sharpish, rather than any laudable concern for the safety of others in the room, and I repeat, again, his facial expression, body language, and violent behaviour, back up my premise.

[Zacs-Master]

I can see glasses of what looks like wine on the table. Could that be a factor do we think?

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // I can see glasses of what looks like wine on the table. Could that be a factor do we think? //

Possibly - although I would like to think that someone who has reached the office of Cabinet Minister should be able to hold his drink when appearing at a function.

Of course, holding his temper is a different question, and clearly there, he has been found wanting.