Lecky Jam Jars, Not The Answer It Would Seem!

ToraToraTora | 13:25 Fri 05th Jul 2019 | News

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48875361
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Does This Come Under Heading Of Statin' The Bleedin' Obvious?

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Zacs-Master

Divorcing people from their freedom of personal car use is a big political issue but it has to happen over the next 20 years. I commented along similar lines a while back on a thread regarding what future generations will miss.

EDDIE51

It is correct in that the problem is just FAR TOO MANY CARS ! !
Not what they are powered by !

mushroom25

I live in a typical mid-England market town. most of the residential estates are on the east side of town, and the retail parks are on the west side. there's a bus service of sorts from most estates but they only go to the town centre, where there's nothing but arity shops, phone shops and card shops. the retail parks have virtually no bus service, and they are (for the reasonably fit) about 25mn walk from the bus terminus in town.

simply put, it's very difficult to live here if you don't have a car, and willing to bet many other towns are the same. simply divorcing people from their cars is a non starter unless there's a political will (and the budget to match) to provide an alternative.

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I have often said, to much derision, that if the masses can afford personal private transport it's too cheap. It needs to get much dearer and the money spent on public transport. Now I know you are all saying "who's this imposter?"!

Zacs-Master

It will [get much dearer] Tora, it will. The General Public need to be drip fed that cars are bad news for the environment. It's started but it will be a while (and a very brave Govt) before we're told 'only business use' (which companies and individuals will be heavily taxed on) / Only on certain days / etc etc.

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gawd I need a lie down, I agree with ZM!

Zacs-Master

We're agreeing quite often these day's Tora. You'll be bed-ridden soon. ;-)

jourdain2

Our village would be impossible to live in without a car. There is no shop (nearest sub-PO is 2 hilly miles away) and on Wednesday and Thursday mornings a bus runs to the nearest town and back 2 hrs. later. Most houses have to have 2 cars. The pub, the church, the Community Centre and the school would cease to exist. Unthinkable that people cannot have their own transport.

spathiphyllum

Ironically.. electric cars are being implemented to help the environment.. Not to help with traffic jams, urban sprawl and wasted space for parking.

It was noted that driverless cars, would help those things.

Old_Geezer

Too many cars is not the route cause though. Too many people who naturally want their right to move privately as they please, is.

The answer is fewer folk, but it's a long term solution, not helped by every generation so far putting off dealing with it, so it gets worse and worse and then more and more oppressive sticking plaster solutions are favoured to help in the short term.

More roads might help jams until the real issue is sorted. Pollution probably needs a combination of tactics.

Decent town planning where pleasant residential areas are within walking distance of commercial areas to work in, would be a good aim.

Old_Geezer

"wasted space for parking"

Not to mention wasted space for shopping, and wasted space for walking, wasted space for living, wasted space for eating and drinking, wasted space for crop growing, wasted space for park strolls. Wasted space for places of learning too, and wasted space for police stations. More wasted space for hospitals. etc. etc. etc. So much wasted space we could free up then.

mushroom25

one of the most persistent causes of congestion at certain times of the day is deliveries by truck to "metro" shops and coffee outlets - because these typically have no store space (to maximise retail floor area) these establishments need to be serviced on a "just in time" basis multiple times a day. electric vehicles won't change this.