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Tommy Robinson Sentenced To 9 Weeks In Prison But Will Serve Up To One Half Of That Period.
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I hope this link is able to be read by all, I know some publications aren't - I have no axe to grind and wish no physical harm to befall anyone.
I found it a decent read.
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I found it a decent read.
https:/
//George being released is much much much much more important than Robinson being convicted//
I think I probably agree with you, DeskDiary, in one way. But I need to understand what you mean by "important". Are we talking public safety, the public "interest", or justice, and, if that, legal justice or natural justice? Or some other?
I think I probably agree with you, DeskDiary, in one way. But I need to understand what you mean by "important". Are we talking public safety, the public "interest", or justice, and, if that, legal justice or natural justice? Or some other?
"Forgot to mention, it is difficult to comment on the George case in the sense that we are not privy to the information relied on by the PB"
Do we need to be privy?
What we factually know is that:
1. She abused about 30 kids and posted the images online and shared the images with other detritus.
2. She refuses to name the kids she abused and therefore there are parents out there who are living with the uncertainty of whether their kids were a victim or not (don't forget some of the kids she abused were babies or so young they can't remember).
So actually yes, I can confidently say the parole are wrong.
Do we need to be privy?
What we factually know is that:
1. She abused about 30 kids and posted the images online and shared the images with other detritus.
2. She refuses to name the kids she abused and therefore there are parents out there who are living with the uncertainty of whether their kids were a victim or not (don't forget some of the kids she abused were babies or so young they can't remember).
So actually yes, I can confidently say the parole are wrong.
The authorities have come to the point where they release paedophiles early and lock up the people who highlight their vile behaviour as quickly as possible. You may also have read that scores of paedophiles who happen to belong to a protected minority have just been locked away where they belong for just such depraved conduct. The plan is to get them back on the streets as soon as possible, but that is not deemed to be feasible without releasing this monster, and being in a position to cite it as an example of our forgiving, turn the other cheek principles...…..is it?
Thank you Mamyalynne, I think the last part of your link is most revealing -
The Tommy Robinson brand was created in part from a belief held by a worryingly large number of our citizens that entrenched institutional timidity has created an environment where south Asian men, predominantly of Pakistani heritage, can prey on white girls with impunity.
There is genuine, not confected anger and horror at the scale of such abuse and the hand-wringing uselessness of statutory agencies mired in cultural relativism to deal with it. In Northern cities often polarised by race and poverty – Huddersfield, Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, to name a few – trials like the ones Lennon tried to disrupt have resulted in hefty prison sentences for Asian gangs who groomed and sexually tortured predominantly white girls.
Sajid Javid, acknowledging the strength of public outcry, has commissioned research into whether there is an association between this sort of ‘touchstone’ sexual violence and race. If we aren’t straight with people on the outcome of such overdue research – and we don’t deal robustly with the consequences – Tommy Robinson will continue to rally people to his cause, both in custody and after his release.
The Tommy Robinson brand was created in part from a belief held by a worryingly large number of our citizens that entrenched institutional timidity has created an environment where south Asian men, predominantly of Pakistani heritage, can prey on white girls with impunity.
There is genuine, not confected anger and horror at the scale of such abuse and the hand-wringing uselessness of statutory agencies mired in cultural relativism to deal with it. In Northern cities often polarised by race and poverty – Huddersfield, Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, to name a few – trials like the ones Lennon tried to disrupt have resulted in hefty prison sentences for Asian gangs who groomed and sexually tortured predominantly white girls.
Sajid Javid, acknowledging the strength of public outcry, has commissioned research into whether there is an association between this sort of ‘touchstone’ sexual violence and race. If we aren’t straight with people on the outcome of such overdue research – and we don’t deal robustly with the consequences – Tommy Robinson will continue to rally people to his cause, both in custody and after his release.
//Sajid Javid... has commissioned research into whether there is an association between this sort of ‘touchstone’ sexual violence and race. If we aren’t straight with people on the outcome of such overdue research... Tommy Robinson will continue to rally people to his cause//
This further (and perhaps deliberate) obfuscation. The most obvious common factor is not ethnic origin. When the problems in Yorkshire became apparent more than twenty (repeat twenty) years ago child protection agencies liaised with Dutch counterparts who were at least trying to counteract this criminalit to produce an educational film (translated from the original Dutch0 for very young secondary school girls expning the techniques used by the rapists. It was called "My Dangerous Lover Boy". And it was made made but never shown.
If Dutch media had reported these crimes using the same journalistic conventions as the UK media (check NUJ guidelines, these men would have been described not as "Asian", but as "African". Why? Because the Dutch rapists were predominately of Moroccan descent. Closer to home if the media had cared to report the trials in Bristol of men accused of the same offence they too woul have had to resort to the continental euphemism.
If you were a curious person, or even, heaven forfend, a decent journalist trying to do his or her job - or even a decent person for that matter, you might ask what common factor connects Somalis, Moroccans and Pakistanis apart from the capital A. It ain't language, geographical proximity or DNA, is it?
This further (and perhaps deliberate) obfuscation. The most obvious common factor is not ethnic origin. When the problems in Yorkshire became apparent more than twenty (repeat twenty) years ago child protection agencies liaised with Dutch counterparts who were at least trying to counteract this criminalit to produce an educational film (translated from the original Dutch0 for very young secondary school girls expning the techniques used by the rapists. It was called "My Dangerous Lover Boy". And it was made made but never shown.
If Dutch media had reported these crimes using the same journalistic conventions as the UK media (check NUJ guidelines, these men would have been described not as "Asian", but as "African". Why? Because the Dutch rapists were predominately of Moroccan descent. Closer to home if the media had cared to report the trials in Bristol of men accused of the same offence they too woul have had to resort to the continental euphemism.
If you were a curious person, or even, heaven forfend, a decent journalist trying to do his or her job - or even a decent person for that matter, you might ask what common factor connects Somalis, Moroccans and Pakistanis apart from the capital A. It ain't language, geographical proximity or DNA, is it?
//There's certainly a racial aspect if you consider the victims//
Certainly true for (what I suggest are) obvious demographic reasons, Maisie.
But the earliest suspected victims (late seventies, early eighties?) were not "white" girls, but Sikhs. This, possibly, because they thought that stricter moral traditions would make it less likely that their victims would blab.
Of course, once you've got a few Muslim councillors and are active in the local Labour party you work out that the last thing these largely Labour northern constituencies are going to do is anything which puts minority "communities" in a bad light, or exposes themselves to the charge of racism.
The legend of Theseus is interesting. The annual tribute paid by the Athenians to their Minoan overlords to gorge the giant maw of the Minotaur was only twelve virgins, six of each sex. Rotherham (to name just one tributary "city") fed fifteen hundred girls to the far greater maw of multiculturalism. And the "overlords" to whom this tribute was willingly paid was a total population of 9,000 Muslims.
Certainly true for (what I suggest are) obvious demographic reasons, Maisie.
But the earliest suspected victims (late seventies, early eighties?) were not "white" girls, but Sikhs. This, possibly, because they thought that stricter moral traditions would make it less likely that their victims would blab.
Of course, once you've got a few Muslim councillors and are active in the local Labour party you work out that the last thing these largely Labour northern constituencies are going to do is anything which puts minority "communities" in a bad light, or exposes themselves to the charge of racism.
The legend of Theseus is interesting. The annual tribute paid by the Athenians to their Minoan overlords to gorge the giant maw of the Minotaur was only twelve virgins, six of each sex. Rotherham (to name just one tributary "city") fed fifteen hundred girls to the far greater maw of multiculturalism. And the "overlords" to whom this tribute was willingly paid was a total population of 9,000 Muslims.
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