How Many More Young Lives Will Be Lost Before Some Form Of Positive Action Takes Place? All We Seem To Hear Is "that No Arrests Have Been Made".

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7340455/Erdington-shooting-sees-one-man-dead-hunt-launched-gunman.html

[chelle7272]

Really?????

You still need evidence to back up what you know. I'm sure you are aware of that.

[dannyk13]

AOG, //Enough to know that they are members of a drug gang, surely that as got to be illegal? //
No it isn't until a provable offence is committed.

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON
/// "In the year ending March 2019 22,041 knife and offensive weapon offences were formally dealt with by the CJS [Criminal Justice System]" a wee bit more than five eh? ///

Link please.

I don't know why some of you are protecting these killers, seeing that a high proportion of their victims are young black persons.

You should be condemning them and joining me in asking why no action seems to be taking place over these crime that are blighting our towns and cities.

[dannyk13]

AOG // why no action seems to be taking place over these crime that are blighting our towns and cities.//
From Corbyloon's link it is obvious that plenty of action is being taken.

[THECORBYLOON]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/808496/Knife_and_Offensive_Weapon_Sentencing_Pub_Q1_2019.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjM5bW37vXjAhW8UBUIHScCD9AQFjADegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw0vtWkUcU9lW89tajh7mPke

[THECORBYLOON]

Try again

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&;source=web&rct=j&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/808496/Knife_and_Offensive_Weapon_Sentencing_Pub_Q1_2019.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjL6oP37vXjAhWhQRUIHamGA2AQFjADegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0vtWkUcU9lW89tajh7mPke

[Ken4155]

AOG; "You what????????" Back when i was in the army, i did 3 tours of NI - 2 as a foot soldier the 3rd on the Int Section. While on the Int Section, i was astounded to learn from Confidential Files that we knew (more or less) who the bomb makers were in our area. But, as has been said, knowing and proving are two entirely different things. You cannot bring a case before the court and say, "I know he did it." and expect a jury to convict. Very few bomb makers were punished during my 3 tours of Ireland.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - // I don't know why some of you are protecting these killers, seeing that a high proportion of their victims are young black persons. //

Who on here do you think is 'protecting' anyone?

As for the notion that any AB'er should be more upset because victims are black speaks to your own daily obsession with race - I am horrified angry and sad in equal measures because anyone dies violently - I don't grade my reactions on the basis of skin colour as you appear to do.

And another thing, I don't do is equate 'No arrests have been made ...' with - 'We are actually doing nothing right now ...' because one does not mean the other - except to you it appears.

[Peter Pedant]

// The police know who some of these gangs are, may I suggest dawn raids on their properties? //

you may suggest what you like but they wont do anything
no not the gangs - ter daah !

[Peter Pedant]

// While on the Int Section, i was astounded to learn from Confidential Files that we knew (more or less) who the bomb makers were in our area. //

the problem with British Intelligence is that they arent ( intelligent)

we had to let all the IRA so called bombers out because they hadnt done it even tho MI5, British Intelligence Bridget O'Reilly etc was sure they had .... ( xc Balcombe)

[Peter Pedant]

// I don't do is equate 'No arrests have been made ...' with - 'We are actually doing nothing right now .//

quite right - "I will round up the usual suspects" Capt Louis Renault's side kick, Casablanca 1941

[tonyav]

quiet residential street

No such thing in Erdington.

[anotheoldgit]

chelle7272

Really?????

/// You still need evidence to back up what you know. I'm sure you are aware of that. ///

Being a member of a known illegal drug gang, is evidence enough.

[dannyk13]

AOG //Being a member of a known illegal drug gang, is evidence enough.//
No it isn't, there is no such offence of being a member of an illegal gang unless it has been proscribed.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Who on here do you think is 'protecting' anyone? ///

/// As for the notion that any AB'er should be more upset because victims are black speaks to your own daily obsession with race - I am horrified angry and sad in equal measures because anyone dies violently - I don't grade my reactions on the basis of skin colour as you appear to do. ///

I have not said that people should be more upset because the victims are black, I was just assuming that they would taking into account the support that that section of the community get.

It is not I that holds a daily obsession with race, it is those others like yourself, who shout racist from the rooftops at any criticism regarding mass immigration and our rising crime rate.

Take for example the gun crime in America, criticisms of Trump's racism, white supremacy. Mass shootings took place under the previous President, but was he ever criticised in such a way ?

Killings on a much larger scale take place in Mexico, The Caribbean, South Africa and other African countries.

Why in South Africa alone whites are being killed and their land taken over, but do we ever hear accusations of racism or Black supremacy?

[dannyk13]

AOG, no answer to my post at 11.56 ?

[anotheoldgit]

dannyk13
/// No it isn't, there is no such offence of being a member of an illegal gang unless it has been proscribed ///

What about being a member of an illegal far-right group?

[dannyk13]

AOG, If it is a group that has been proscribed then it is an offence to be a member.

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, if someone is a member of a drugs gang, what offence are they charged under?