If There Were A General Election On Oct 14 ?

[johnny.5]

and a party stood as a remain party and won convincingly with the leave voters spreading their votes across other parties . Would we automatically remain within the EU ? or would there be another referendum with alternative options ?

[ichkeria]

No we wouldn’t automatically remain.
We’d still be due to leave.
However a different government would hopefully put the matter back to the people in another referendum.

[pixie374]

No need, ich. Not only have we had the referendum... we then had an election where the Brexit Party was very successful, so although no confirmation was required, it did at least keep those quiet, who were suggesting that people didn't know what they were voting for/ wanted the "quickest and easiest" answer/ or would be out of by MPs being, predictably, awkward about it. The same thing has been asked for twice now... so even the best of three wouldn't work.

[ichkeria]

The question was what would happen if a remain leaning party prevailed in an election before Oct 31.
And I’m telling you that plainly it would take steps to resolve the deadlock by first asking for an extension to Article 50, which they’d be obliged to do by the new law that provoked the election in the first place.
And then, who knows, but you can be sure that a No Deal version of Brexit would be dead and buried. Whatever happened in the European election would be irrelevant.
I have to say I don’t think there will be an election on Oct 14. And if there was I also think at the moment it looks unlikely that Labour would win.
But who knows.

[cassa333]

If all they campaigned on was Remain and Brexit it might be said that it was a strong indicator that people wanted to remain. However, regardless of this omnishambles no party, including the Brexit party, would campaign solely on that.

An election of MPs for the UK parliament isn’t a referendum. A strong indicator perhaps but not a mandate to remain when the referendum vote was leave.

[ichkeria]

No one is saying it’d be a referendum although it might feel like it (I think you’ll find the Brexit Party WOULD campaign on that alone as it’s likely that any other policies they might have would be too embarrassing to publicise :-) )
But plainly a Labour govt or some sort of coalition would change the political landscape and another referendum might follow.

[pixie374]

That would just show so much disrespect to the public, it would be political suicide.

[Spicerack]

Labour will win, then have talks with the EU and come back with a brilliant Labour WA that everyone will vote for.
So young Kinnochio told us this evening. He also made an absolute *** of himself which I won't bore you with here.

[ichkeria]

Why would it be political suicide?!
We are talking a scenario (I think as I said before an unlikely one) where there was a change of government. Democratically elected.
One can only cling to the “2016 referendum result” trumps all other considerations for so long.
Politics has been paralysed and polarised by it for over three years.

[jim360]

// If all they campaigned on was Remain and Brexit it might be said that it was a strong indicator that people wanted to remain. However, regardless of this omnishambles no party, including the Brexit party, would campaign solely on that. //

Flipping the premise of the question, if a party such as Boris Johnson's "Do or Die" Tories and/or the Brexit Party won (big) in the election, I'm pretty sure they would see it as a mandate for forcing through either a deal or an immediate exit without a deal by the end of October. So I don't think it would be unreasonable for a Remain-leaning party to see their own victory as a mandate for, if not remaining without further consultation, then certainly a softer stance on Brexit.

The situation is further complicated by the fact that Labour under Corbyn is not anti-Brexit but anti-Tory. Leaving aside the obvious nonsense that any deal they'd bring back would be "brilliant", that's still Corbyn's strategy. Negotiate their own deal, offer it to the people, and presumably feel smug about it all.

[pixie374]

It was "polarised" ich, until we had an official result. The only reason it has been dragged out this long, is because of remainer MPs doing their very best to achieve nothing.
It would be political suicide, because most people understand what democracy, integrity, morals and honesty are- even if they don't agree with the result. So to go against it would mean they would be trusted by absolutely nobody.

[jim360]

But if the Remain Party won (big) in a General Election, doesn't that undermine all that? At what point, in other words, does the 2016 mandate die?

[pixie374]

It doesn't die. It still needs to be achieved first! The Brexit party's success proved that people haven't changed their minds, and that wasn't even necessary.

[Old_Geezer]

It would not be automatic and all faith would be lost in our present parliamentary system if whoever got in did either abort A50 or held another referendum. One doesn't refuse to follow public instructions and then go find a way to fail to justify their actions. The ructions would last decades if not generations or permanently.

[pixie374]

And no... it wouldn't undermine that. We would ignore that just as surely as we ignored the desire for Brexit. Wouldn't we? Or do we only listen to democracy if it is "right".

[cassa333]

I think you’ll find the Brexit party will be campaigning on more than just Brexit.

[jim360]

The Brexit Party still only picked up like 30% of the vote, and on only half the turnout of 2016, so it's hardly conclusive. Granted there are plenty of signs to suggest that most people haven't chanced their minds, but a few have (in either direction), maybe there will be different people turning out to vote, people voting now who couldn't in 2016, etc etc. The electorate is only three years different but it is still different.

Meanwhile it simply isn't democratic to argue that one vote rules over all that follow it. The democratic process always gives precedence to the most recent vote on a given issue.

[ichkeria]

I can only repeat what I said before: we cannot forever hold ourselves hostage to the result of a referendum which no one can agree how to deliver.
The PM it seems is doing his best to bring an end to it in a particular way, but it’s a strategy that may fail it because it’s a bad strategy (I happen to think it is) but simply because he’ll be prevented by elected representatives including a Tory ex chancellor.
The question is about a change of political leadership. I don’t think we should cancel Brexit is parliament but plainly a new government would have a mandate to approach a solution in a different way

[THECORBYLOON]

If a Remain party had a majority in Parliament, they could introduce new legislation revoking the law requiring any extension and withdraw the Article 50 application to leave the EU.

[Jackdaw33]

//If the Remain parties won Big\\

Fat chance.

[ichkeria]

Lol the Brexit party would be well advised to stick to Brexit. It’s a simple message and it works for them with a certain section of the electorate.
I suspect they would not do well in an October election as the Tory party for now at least seems to have become a more upmarket version of the original