Is That All You've Got V B Q C?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49580500
why is it called the "no deal" bill when it;s anything but?
"Well, Mr Johnson will have until 19 October to either pass a deal in Parliament or get MPs to approve a no-deal Brexit." - They just don't get it do they? what if they don't approve no deal? hands up children, what's the default? yep, it's no deal! It'll get Filibustered to death anyway! PMSL!

[Zacs-Master]

A useless Douche de *** who are going to have complete control over us soon. Well, maybe. Something for us all to look for ward to ain’t it!

[Gromit]

I suspect we will leave without a deal despite today’s legislation.
Boris will not return from his EU meeting on 13th Oct with anything. There will be nothing to vote on or filibuster. Boris will simply ignore the No Deal law, and we will be out before there is any chance to prosecute the Government, or the Courts to intervene. Gove said that on Sunday.

[ToraToraTora]

"Boris will simply ignore the No Deal law," - what no deal law, if it's "law" he can't ignore it.

[ichkeria]

No he won’t ignore it.
He may not need to ignore it if he gets his deal.
But
If he DOES get a deal and Parliament - particularly his own hardliners - don’t back it then he is probably going the way of Theresa May even if Brexit follows.
More likely though there simply won’t be a deal. The EU won’t agree to any old nonsense.

[ToraToraTora]

I've been watching closely I must have missed it can someone explain to me the "no deal" law and how it works.

[Gromit]

It will be law this week
The Commons will vote for it tonight, and the House of Lords will try to wreck it but won’t be able to. By the end of the week, it will be a law. Boris will return from Brussels on 14the Oct without anything. He is then supposed to ask the EU for an extension, but won’t,saying he is still hopeful about get a deal. And the clock will run down.

[ToraToraTora]

so what is the wording of this bill? if it is passed how does it prevent no deal?

[ToraToraTora]

gromit, on this planet the bill this evening is about asking for a further extension on A50.

[THECORBYLOON]

TTT, there has been talk of the Government not seeking Royal Assent or advising the Queen not to give it once the the legislation has passed through Parliament.

Although it would not be law if Assent were not given, the Government would be ignoring the will of Parliament.

[ToraToraTora]

No need to do that TCL, if parliament want to force the PM to ask for an extension, then ask for an extension. The first thing the EUSSR will do is ask what has changed and the PM will say nowt, I've just been forced to ask, no extension, parliament obeyed, no deal,game over. I think the EUSSR have seen enough of this rubbish too.

[Gromit]

Details of the Benn-Burt Bill are here

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/brexit/negotiations/the-benn-burt-bill-another-article-50-extension/

[ToraToraTora]

come on, really? Dominic will have that on toast tomorrow, even I can get round that one! PMSL! talk about amateur hour!

[douglas9401]

You might want to save some bodily fluids for the tears that are surely to come, Tora.

[ToraToraTora]

got plenty doug just had a delivery.

[jim360]

No Act of Parliament* can stop No Deal outright. But it can certainly do its best to stop government from willingly taking that path.

*No Act of Parliament of this type, I mean. An Act instructing the PM to give notice that we were withdrawing our Article 50 notification would do the trick, but for the time being at least that is clearly a step too far.

[saintpeter48]

Have I missed something, I thought it was written in law that we leave, with or without a deal, on the 31st October.

[Gromit]

saintpeter48
// Have I missed something //

You might have missed the Law changed (or is in the process of being changed).

[Old_Geezer]

They're forcing the PM whoever it is at the time, to ask for an extension. May not get one anyway. Unsure what excuse they'll give to justify it.

[jim360]

// I thought it was written in law that we leave, with or without a deal, on the 31st October. //

If this Bill becomes law, then it forces the PM to present a deal to Parliament, and if he can't present that deal or if Parliament rejects it, then he needs to ask for an extension . So the date of 31st October would then, subject to the EU's consent, be postponed. As happened the last two times we requested an extension, then the Prime Minister, or Secretary of State for Exiting the EU, would lay the necessary Statutory Instruments to amend specific references to the Date in the EU (Withdrawal) Act 2018, so 31st October would disappear and be replaced with 31st January (or whatever other date ends up being agreed on).