Are You Ashamed Of The Way The Commons Behaved Yesterday?

[Bobbisox1]

Geoffrey Cox,attorney general,Barry Sheerman looked like he’d bust a gut,what happened to the waving of papers and nodding and bleating like sheep that we’ve been used to?
Veins popping out their temples, Boris accused of going too far

Welcome to the British House Of Commons

[10ClarionSt]

I understand all of those things, NJ. I still don't understand why you, or anyone else in this country, should be ashamed on behalf the incompetent politicians. I certainly don't feel ashamed. Then again, I think it's all very funny, because I didn't vote in 2016.
It makes a great show!

[Old_Geezer]

Describing something someone has said as humbug doesn't necessary mean you're lying but that you have spouted a load of rubbish. (They may be lying as well, but that's besides the point.)

The biggest load of humbug I've ever heard" means it's the biggest load of utter nonsense I've ever heard. So Boris clearly had nothing to say about the death threats, that's simply wishful thinking on your part, and possibly why you misunderstood the whole exchange.

[Mozz71]

//The biggest load of humbug I've ever heard" means it's the biggest load of utter nonsense I've ever heard.//

Surely that insinuates that Boris believes the accusations of death threats are false and the MP is making them up, which is a dangerous stance.

[Old_Geezer]

As I've just explained, not in the slightest. There is nothing there which even implies it. Why do people come up with these fantasies ?

[Ellipsis]

OG, try looking up humbug in the dictionary.

[Old_Geezer]

Ok...

Definition of humbug (Entry 1 of 2)
1a: something designed to deceive and mislead
Their claims are humbug.

Right so all this nonsense about the language used explaining that the act was a surrender act is causing violence and threats are humbug because they are intended to deceive. Boris was perfectly correct then.

So we're agreed it isn't necessarily lies and you are fantasizing that it's more then for whatever reason. Glad you've come around to understanding at last.

[Ellipsis]

No, because you can never admit you've made a mistake, you've chosen instead to attribute the humbug word to a different quote. It was said in response to someone claiming she had received death threats.

[Theland]

It stinks. I used to think we lived in a democracy.
Parliament has failed me.

[Old_Geezer]

I admit to mistakes when I make them. You seem to have made a further erroneous assumption.

The quote posted was from a dictionary, which was your suggestion that I look up. The disagreement in the House is a matter of record.

Yes she said she had received death threats but clearly one would need to have a desire, conscious or otherwise, to besmirch Boris in order to assign the humbug retort to that part. Her main thrust was to criticise Boris for the perfectly reasonable descriptions he was using, claiming a relationship between those descriptions and death threats/violence; and everyone should be able to tell that, that was the humbug and not go around making more of the incident.

[Ellipsis]

He said "That's the biggest load of humbug I've ever heard", but you claim he was only referring to part of what she said, and to know which part, and that he must therefore have said nothing at all about the death threats.

Hopefully the point is made that he needs to be more careful with his language.

[Old_Geezer]

I think his reaction was clear enough. No further 'walking on eggshells', to satisfy those who find other interpretations, is necessary. If one was forced to work out how meaning can be misinterpreted all the time no one could say anything for fear of offending someone.

[Ellipsis]

Clear enough to people who knew the meaning of the words he was using!