Now Who's Running Scared?

[diddlydo]

Farago won't stand in election. I wonder why!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50280848

[davebro]

"how dare that criminal from across the pond meddle in UK politics?"

Maybe he was just following Obama's example?

[cassa333]

Because he’s a MEP and he can dash about the country campaigning rather than being tied to one constituency.

But that was in the link wasn’t it. ..... Did you read the article or just make stuff up in your head?

[10ClarionSt]

The outraged silver T-T-T-tongue of Tora Man strikes again!

[Ken4155]

Maybe, just maybe, after 7 failed attempts, the penny has finally dropped. Would he have made an 8th attempt had Boris agreed to an alliance, i wonder?

[cassa333]

As I see it there are three options in this GE and party voting.

1. Leave with a bad treaty
2. Leave WTO
3. Remain.

There are people who will vote the same way they always have regardless of anything said or done by their party so all parties will have a core vote base.

There are those who will vote for a remain party because they fervently believe the referendum result was wrong and should be ignored.
Lib Dem’s

There are those that have got so tired of Brexit that they will vote for any old bad treaty just to get it done.
Conservatives

There are those that fervently believe Brexit is a good thing and WTO is the best option and a true Brexit.
Brexit Party.

If the Lib Dem’s can say they will revoke A50 on day one if they get in power then The Brexit Party are just as justified to say they will leave on WTO on day one if they got in power. As are the Conservatives to leave on day one with their appalling treaty.

[10ClarionSt]

I don't know why anyone would vote for his party anyway. It's a one-policy party, isn't it? He set UKip on the road to oblivion and he'll do the same with this lot.

[naomi24]

//he's spreading the lie that the new deal is Brexit in name only which it isn't //

It isn't a lie. Boris's Brexit isn't Brexit, just as Theresa's Brexit wasn't Brexit. You've been 'got at', Khandro.

[Khandro]

There is an enormous difference between voting for MEPs & for your Member of Parliament. In the last European elections I voted Brexit because they would stir things up in Brussels, but your MP has to tick more boxes than just wanting Brexit, so I shall be voting Conservative (if the Gloucestershire Council get the papers out in time) & it's beyond my ken how anyone would vote for anybody else with the alternatives of a Labour Marxist Party & LibDem party wanting to renege on the people's referendum vote.

[Khandro]

n. extract for the Telegraph article I mationed above;

'If Boris Johnson’s deal were still BRINO, then I would unhesitatingly say so. But it is not.

First, the Northern Ireland backstop Protocol in the Withdrawal Agreement (WA) has been modified to remove Great Britain from being locked into a vassal-state customs union with the EU until the EU chooses to release us.

Secondly, a word-for-word comparison of the Political Declaration (PD) which sets out the future EU-UK relationship with its previous Theresa May version reveals that it has been amended in vital respects. The PD is important because it is linked to a legal obligation on both parties to use “best endeavours in good faith” to negotiate an agreement in line with its principles.


The PD as amended now clearly foreshadows a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) with the EU and not a customs union. The difference is vital because an FTA, unlike a customs union, allows us to set our own tariffs with third countries and to operate our own independent trade policy.

Obligations in the PD for the UK to align our future rules to EU rules have been deleted, and any alignment will be optional. The so-called “level playing field” commitments in the PD have been changed. The previous commitment to shadow the EU rules on competition and state aids in Theresa May’s WA has been replaced with a more open ended commitment not to distort competition similar to that in many FTAs.'

[ichkeria]

Farage’s objection to Johnson’s so called deal is that the trade negotiations with the EU could leave the UK adhering to aspects of the customs union and single market.
That is why he says it might be harder to get a trade deal with the US because they might not like that as many of the regulations might restrict US imports.
But really, the key thing about it is that it isn’t “getting Brexit done at all”
Come the end of 2020 we’ll hit another deadline, which is the one for a trade agreement with the EU. Then we’ll be back in the same position we are in now.

[naomi24]

//it's beyond my ken how anyone would vote for anybody else with the alternatives of a Labour Marxist Party & LibDem party wanting to renege on the people's referendum vote.//

Every party, except the Brexit Party, has reneged on the result of the referendum. Each promised to respect the result and none have. That said, a vote for the Brexit Party will split the Conservative vote leaving the way open for Corbyn & Co to sneak in by the back door – and that would spell utter disaster for this country – which is why, as much as it pains me to vote for any of those determined to ignore democracy, I shall be voting Conservative.

[spathiphyllum]

You don#t hate corbyn as much as you need the NHS.

I'd love to know how naomi and other tories feel they're soo educated this topic even the MP's are clueless about.

Pomp and splendour really do delude.

Tories are ruining this country. If you think police, firefighter's, checkout ladies and cleaners should be working at 75 ur deluded.

if you think the UK can't decide pension rates without the EU you've been lied to.

If you think the NHS can withstand another 5 years of tories you're actually highly mistaken.

Lets just see shall we? I know who i'll be directly blaming when it all goes to ***. Yet, they'll try condescend us lefties about that also, won't they?

I see all this discussion and debate futile, it's simply verbal attack vs verbal attack implying someone is uneducated by the uneducated it's futile and simply washes us even further down the pan.

[naomi24]

Khandro, I really don’t care what the Telegraph says – or anyone else who tries to tell me that what we’re getting is Brexit. If we are still tied to the EU in any way whatsoever, we are not getting Brexit. The whole thing has been a lie from the beginning – and it’s still a lie.

[spathiphyllum]

"If we are still tied to the EU in any way whatsoever, we are not getting Brexit"

I begs you get a grip seriously. Brexit means brexit, that's all we knew.

[naomi24]

Have a lie down spath. The only verbal attacks I see on this page have come from a Labour supporter - and you've just added to it.

[spathiphyllum]

Don't tell me what to do, classic attitude of a tory, thinking they can just spout things and tell people how it is. You can't.

If you tell me to lie down does it make you feel superior mortally and factually?

I hope it makes you feel really really good, like so good.

[spathiphyllum]

morally**

[naomi24]

Bit early in the day for me to bother with all your angst, spath. At the risk of telling you what to do, be my guest and rant on if you must.