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Ms. Sturgeon really does appear to have inhaled the plot and ethos of the Braveheart movie - but this is 2020, not the fourteenth century - and she has to accept that neither Westminster or her own people are keen to follow her 'rebel' mindset.
I haven't met that many Scots, but whenever the subject of Ms. Sturgeon comes up, I have yet to find one who has a good word to say about her.
I haven't met that many Scots, but whenever the subject of Ms. Sturgeon comes up, I have yet to find one who has a good word to say about her.
a-h, the question is not whether people you speak to like Nicola Sturgeon but what the Scottish nation thinks of their limitations within the United Kingdom versus being without them. People are unlikely to decide on the Union as a like or dislike for a political party, let alone just its leader - or am I overestimating their good sense ?
The last one's results were No 55%, Yes 45% with a turnout of 85%, a more convincing decision than Brexit.
Even if the SNP were allowed another - which they won't be - they with the rest of the UK will be out of the EU, so even less would vote for the prospect of being in neither.
A lot of this talk is an attempt to draw attention away from the impending trial of Alex Salmond.
Even if the SNP were allowed another - which they won't be - they with the rest of the UK will be out of the EU, so even less would vote for the prospect of being in neither.
A lot of this talk is an attempt to draw attention away from the impending trial of Alex Salmond.
GEs are not single issue (normally) so have no real comparison to a referendum. It may well not be a change of mind if the party in power changes in a GE anyway, it may well be the public attempting to steer government back to the path they should be on.
Referenda need to be binding until the result of the decisions are known. Which may vary in length but should be 2 or 3 decades down the line for anything important enough to hold a referendum for; unless the result is quickly shown to be a disaster, rather than folk trying to claim it is with dodgy predictions and a refusal to accept that disruption from change makes things a little more difficult before everything improves.
Probably best not to need this restated by trying to compare the two.
Referenda need to be binding until the result of the decisions are known. Which may vary in length but should be 2 or 3 decades down the line for anything important enough to hold a referendum for; unless the result is quickly shown to be a disaster, rather than folk trying to claim it is with dodgy predictions and a refusal to accept that disruption from change makes things a little more difficult before everything improves.
Probably best not to need this restated by trying to compare the two.
KARL - // a-h, the question is not whether people you speak to like Nicola Sturgeon but what the Scottish nation thinks of their limitations within the United Kingdom versus being without them. //
One is not the other, because they are two separate points.
In casual aquaitance, I can gather that the Scots I have met do not like Ms. Sturgeon - their approach to their future in or out of the UK is something that has not yet been explored, because we are talking casual conversation, not detailed political debate.
One is not the other, because they are two separate points.
In casual aquaitance, I can gather that the Scots I have met do not like Ms. Sturgeon - their approach to their future in or out of the UK is something that has not yet been explored, because we are talking casual conversation, not detailed political debate.
//After all, we mustn't cater for people who change their minds all the time.//
You can’t keep on asking the electorate to vote on fundamental constitutional issues every few years. The Brexit vote (or rather the behaviour of some who refused to accept the result) demonstrates that. It makes governments – who should have better things to do – neglect their core responsibilities whilst the constitutional issues are resolved. Even the Scottish Parish Council has better things to do than ask concentrate on persuading its voters to consider an alternative form of dependence. They’ve done it once and the result was fairly conclusive. It was more conclusive that the EU referendum was and even many Remainers did not believe a second vote was desirable.
You can’t keep on asking the electorate to vote on fundamental constitutional issues every few years. The Brexit vote (or rather the behaviour of some who refused to accept the result) demonstrates that. It makes governments – who should have better things to do – neglect their core responsibilities whilst the constitutional issues are resolved. Even the Scottish Parish Council has better things to do than ask concentrate on persuading its voters to consider an alternative form of dependence. They’ve done it once and the result was fairly conclusive. It was more conclusive that the EU referendum was and even many Remainers did not believe a second vote was desirable.
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//Let them hold their own referendum if Boris won't let them. //
like the Catalans did, you mean? with all the illegality involved?
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I think that’s an excellent idea, bearing in mind what happened to the Catalan leaders:
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Just image a win-win situation. The Scots vote to leave the Union in an illegal referendum and Ms Sturgeon is committed to Cornton Vale for a decent spell, thus keeping her off my telly
//Let them hold their own referendum if Boris won't let them. //
like the Catalans did, you mean? with all the illegality involved?
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I think that’s an excellent idea, bearing in mind what happened to the Catalan leaders:
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Just image a win-win situation. The Scots vote to leave the Union in an illegal referendum and Ms Sturgeon is committed to Cornton Vale for a decent spell, thus keeping her off my telly
On an Andrew Marr programme in 2014, referring to the upcoming Scottish Independence referendum, Alex Salmond - leader of the SNP at the time - said, “In my view this is a once in a generation, perhaps even a once in a lifetime, opportunity.”
Notice the opening three words, “In my view…” This statement was, perfectly clearly, just a personal opinion of Mr Salmond’s at the time and certainly not a promise or a policy statement made on behalf of the SNP as a party.
Indeed, Mr Salmond actually said later in the same interview, "In my opinion, and it is just my opinion, this is a once in a generation opportunity for Scotland."
In other words, it in no way compelled any future leader of that party to avoid for decades any further attempt to attain the party’s ends.
Yet, every single time the matter arises here, it is met by at least one but more frequently a veritable chorus of complaints about the supposed “promise/policy”!
It was obviously neither Alex Salmond nor Nicola Sturgeon who made any such promise, so who did? As they have been the two recent leaders of the SNP, who else, indeed, ever had any right to make such a promise? It's conceivable, of course, that other SNP members may have 'echoed' Mr Salmond's opinion, but party policy regarding future referenda on the subject it never was.
Please, if you can, provide checkable evidence that it ever WAS. If you can’t, please stop mindlessly trotting it out - as Johnson has just done today - every time you see the words ‘Scotland’ and ‘referendum’ on AnswerBank. If you can’t, you really have no justification for ever making such a claim again.
Notice the opening three words, “In my view…” This statement was, perfectly clearly, just a personal opinion of Mr Salmond’s at the time and certainly not a promise or a policy statement made on behalf of the SNP as a party.
Indeed, Mr Salmond actually said later in the same interview, "In my opinion, and it is just my opinion, this is a once in a generation opportunity for Scotland."
In other words, it in no way compelled any future leader of that party to avoid for decades any further attempt to attain the party’s ends.
Yet, every single time the matter arises here, it is met by at least one but more frequently a veritable chorus of complaints about the supposed “promise/policy”!
It was obviously neither Alex Salmond nor Nicola Sturgeon who made any such promise, so who did? As they have been the two recent leaders of the SNP, who else, indeed, ever had any right to make such a promise? It's conceivable, of course, that other SNP members may have 'echoed' Mr Salmond's opinion, but party policy regarding future referenda on the subject it never was.
Please, if you can, provide checkable evidence that it ever WAS. If you can’t, please stop mindlessly trotting it out - as Johnson has just done today - every time you see the words ‘Scotland’ and ‘referendum’ on AnswerBank. If you can’t, you really have no justification for ever making such a claim again.
"...and Ms Sturgeon is committed to Cornton Vale..."
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Q.M. //In other words, it in no way compelled any future leader of that party to avoid for decades any further attempt to attain the party’s ends.//
I don't think Boris or anyone else has said it was written in a manifesto or carved in stone, however the Scottish people went to the referendum at the time with that in mind, not thinking that they would be hauled back on every whim of a new leader.
There are so many desperate issues in Scotland requiring attention a & leadership; education & the worst drug addiction figures in Europe for starters.
I don't think Boris or anyone else has said it was written in a manifesto or carved in stone, however the Scottish people went to the referendum at the time with that in mind, not thinking that they would be hauled back on every whim of a new leader.
There are so many desperate issues in Scotland requiring attention a & leadership; education & the worst drug addiction figures in Europe for starters.
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