They Just Don't Get It Do They....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51208545
Wrong-Daily:"Labour had "a great set of policies" at the general election but got its "messaging" wrong" - err no, you got your butts kicked.
Agent COB: "We won the argument" - then why are you not in no 10?

[david small]

Dead but won’t lie down.

[Zacs-Master]

"We should have been talking about aspiration,"

Well, it worked for TB. But talking about aspiration was as far removed from Corbyn’s principles as you can get.

[Deskdiary]

No, she really doesn't get it.

Describing Corbyn's leadership as "10 out of 10" and on their absurd policies “[I didn't] just agree with the policies, I’ve spent the last four years writing them”

She's about as far detached from political reality as it's possible to be. If Corbyn was such a great leader, and if their polices were so great, suggesting the message was wrong and blaming the media is pathetic.

Fortunately, the ones that matter, the voting public, saw through their abject nonsense.

[youngmafbog]

After being a lawyer for the NHS she was fast tracked by the Unions stomping over moderates along the way. Now lives in a big expensive house with a hubby who brings in loads of brass.

That she is out of touch with the working man is an understatement.

[teacake44]

The only thing they are achieving at the moment is reminding people of the mess they made of the GE, and the clown still hanging around.

[Zacs-Master]

She’s a remainer as well. Just for the record.

[Bazile]

YMB
That arguement is routinely rounded on when used in the past on here , when it concerned a Tory

Is it only true when it concerns a labour politician ?

[ToraToraTora]

YMB: "After being a lawyer for the NHS she was fast tracked by the Unions stomping over moderates along the way. Now lives in a big expensive house with a hubby who brings in loads of brass." - so a standard, do as I say not as I do,l socialist then!

[jim360]

There's very little evidence that Labour's manifesto was the chief reason for the defeat, so the idea that the electorate "saw through their abject nonsense" is probably not accurate. Not to say that the manifesto wasn't a crock of crap, overstuffed as it was with increasingly elaborate promises. But it comes a distant third in the list of Labour's problems in the election, behind a terrible leader and a terrible policy on Brexit. Perhaps even fourth, because the refusal to cooperate with the Liberal Democrats at the same time that Farage's Brexit Party capitulated meant that the Opposition was divided at the exact time it needed not to be.

[Old_Geezer]

There's a human trait not to want to admit one is wrong, so some keep flogging a dead horse in the face of the evidence, having convinced themselves it'll get up and win the Derby.

[jim360]

That too. Labour's claim that they have won the argument is particularly tone-deaf. Even if they believed and still believe in their policies, then they cannot possibly take that claim of "winning the argument" seriously in future.

[Old_Geezer]

Did their manifesto state, "showing disdain for the democracy of the people and their decisions", thus proving them unfit for election ? Any "continuity candidate" is a waste of time/effort.

[Peter Pedant]

// Dead but won’t lie down//
lost the battle but no one told them

[Peter Pedant]

// She’s a remainer as well. Just for the record.//
oh my god that is lower than sex criminal
has she signed that register?

[emmie]

they are blind to their failings. They got the result that to me was inevitable, a drubbing at the polls.

[Spicerack]

She's an inveterate liar. Not that that's a hindrance to politicians.

[jourdain2]

They are pushing Keir Starmer as a 'moderate' for Heaven's sake! It just goes to show how little they have learned. I am trying, and failing, to understand the thought processes at work here. 'Rabbits' and 'headlights' perhaps?

[andy-hughes]

I can understand any loser in a General Election admitting that they got it wrong, but to claim that they go it right, but simply didn't communicate that they were right, is a simple refusal to accept simple political reality.

Hopefully the party will understand that replacing one leader who has no grasp of reality with another who is the same, is not the way to win the next election.

[ludwig]

"But I won the argument! I had the best technique!"

Shouted the boxer after he was thumped to the floor and counted out in the first round by the other guy.

It looks like Long Bailey is out of the running anyway.

[jim360]

I don't agree that defeat in an election, or a debate generally, is cause to abandon your core beliefs. If nothing else, Labour's solution to their problems can hardly be to become the Conservatives in all but name. If the two manifestos were identical except maybe because of the font where would be the choice?

Still, Labour swung too far to the left, offered too much too fast, and failed -- a failure I too shared, lest I sound too self-righteous -- to properly assess the mood of the country with regard to the central issue of the day.