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ToraToraTora | 23:03 Fri 31st Jan 2020 | News
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what else can I say........
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Jim360 - “The defeat, such as it was, owes more to the leaders of the Remain campaign than it does to the rank-and-file, anyway.” I vehemently disagree. While the leaders of the Remain campaign were, for the most part, doom-mongering, lying catastrophists, it was the rank-and-file 'C' and 'D' list remoaners in the main-stream media that really put the...
01:01 Sat 01st Feb 2020
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//I think that most ex-remainers (on the site too) were probably disappointed with the results... but have the integrity, strength of character and honesty, to accept they were in the minority this time.//

It took them three years to understand they were the minority and democracy won in 2016.
Yes that’s the oddity about these negotiations. They are probably unique in starting with perfect harmony in the state of affairs and discord in the language. Usually they start with divergence it are often accompanied by romantic words :-)

There is of course every point in not diverging too much in version areas. That’s because there is a lot more to Brexit than trade, also.
Perhaps time to move on from the “disappointed remainers” response and move on to the here and now?

Just a thought :-)
That was kind of my point, retro, that those were the ones who bleated the loudest... but I have seen several quieter posters, who did accept the result.
Well, possibly. But democracy is and remains about process rather than events. I don't regret the stance I took in the last three+ years, which was also quite heavily reactionary. I believe Naomi, among others, repeatedly drew attention to my response in the immediate aftermath of the referendum. That too was genuine -- not that I expect anyone to believe this -- and I don't regret that either. The problem as I saw it was that once the Government started to plan for it only afterwards their plans looked increasingly horrifying, and in those circumstances I did not, and still do not, see why it would be so unreasonable to ask the electorate to look again at the detail. Throw in the 2017 election, which delivered a divided Parliament that should have then had the sense to work together but did not, and -- well, it was a fool's hope, perhaps. But I was arguing for what I thought was best for the country. I will never apologise for that.

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