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Labour Civil War Over Trans Rights

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fender62 | 12:14 Wed 12th Feb 2020 | News
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labour are making themselves so unelectable, reading the article im like really, is she serious
labour are digging ever deeper into oblivion, its like chaos poltics, rights this rights that, and the dont deport the criminals back to jamaica, just who's side are they on, not the general public.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7994935/Labour-civil-war-trans-rights-Rebecca-Long-Bailey-backs-controversial-campaign.html
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Wrong Daily seems to be just as out of touch as COB.
Yeah, because for heaven's sake, we wouldn't want to do anything to make transgender folk feel a little bit safer would we? You fools Labour, you utter incompetent fools.
Hopefully RLB will, send Labour into complete oblivion , they needed a leader to direct them back to middle ground and she’s not it
“Labour are making themselves unelectable”

You’re a bit late with that story :-)

Although on the other hand: repeat to end:
RLB isn’t going to win the leadership contest.
You've said that at least 3 times that I know of, ichi.
a) What makes you think that?
b) Are you not worried about making yourself look an eejit?
YMB: "Wrong Daily seems to be just as out of touch as COB. " - Bojo must be wetting himself! Agent COB was our best ever asset RWD could eclipse even that!
Look at all polls of the membership. And most
new members are apparently backing KS.
As I previously explained.

Even Corbyn’s constituency narrowly came out for Starmer.
One reason KS is doing well is because he’s kept more left wingers onside by being careful not to trash Corbyn.
And in fairness to any leadership candidate, the message “we’re all going to hell in a handcart” wouldn’t go down well. That’s the problem when you let the members decide who leads the party. But the members at large are not the same as Momentum which is 10% of the total. And not the same as the people who run important bits of the party at the moment.
No one knows what Starmer will do once he gets in, if he does, about that.
But RLB is hopeless and most Labour members are not that daft that they cannot see it.
"Transgender" - just examine that word for a minute! Then tell me how you can change genes? Bowlocks total and utter Bowlocks, I'm amazed that supposedly intelligent people can buy into this tish. May as well start transpecies, I think I'll become a Rhino! I won't charge much!
// most Labour members are not that daft//

Mmmm.
anyway, why are they concentrating on what is a minority fringe issue at best, what about:
- anti semitism
- fiscal fantasy
- pro terrorism
- anti Britishness
.. for a start!
Genes and gender may share similar roots, but are utterly unrelated. Gender is about how you see yourself, and about how society sees you. Since, usually, society doesn't make a point of testing your chromosomes, then why should the two be so linked?

It's fairly obvious that the LGB Alliance is so-called as to explicitly exclude the "T", so in that sense there's a point, but I'm not convinced that Labour can afford to cling to ideological purity so tightly. Better to say that "these are our political positions and if you don't like them we'll do our best to persuade you otherwise", rather than "If you don't 100% agree with everything we say then get ***".
jim: "Genes and gender may share similar roots, but are utterly unrelated. Gender is about how you see yourself, and about how society sees you. Since, usually, society doesn't make a point of testing your chromosomes, then why should the two be so linked? " - from a normally intelligent person, I find that statement remarkable, surgery, hormones and dressing up cannot change gender. The TG brigade seem to have invented for themselves a biological verification that does exist. A man deciding that he's a woman is no less ridiculous that me deciding I'm a Rhino.
Jim //Gender is about how you see yourself, and about how society sees you//
Not so, gender is the distinction between male and female:-
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/gender?s=t
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If you keep defining gender in terms of genes then you're going to have a bad time. I'm happy to concede that dressing up etc doesn't influence biology, but then again that was never the point I was making.

Turning to dictionaries isn't always a smart move when it comes to matters scientific, danny. Besides which, perhaps you should pay more attention to the second definition as opposed to the first.
what does trans phobic mean anyway? Am I trans phobic for merely doubting the reasoning or do I have do actually discriminate on that basis?
Can I also just make the point that genetics isn't the be-all and end-all of biological sex either. Either because of extra chromosomes, or because of some other reason, it's possible for people to appear as boys with other than XY.
Jim//matters scientific,//
Don't you mean biological?
// what does trans phobic mean anyway? //

Depends on whom you ask. For myself I'd rather apply a softer definition than many, ie transphobia is an active distrust and/or denial of rights to transgender, rather than merely arguing over the definition, extent and existence of it. On the general assumption that you don't particularly care what someone does, looks like, dresses, has surgery on or whatever, then I'd rather try and persuade, instead of exclude from a debate.

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