Harvey Weinstein Sentenced To 23 Years In Prison

[TheDevil]

And the movement has momentum!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/11/harvey-weinstein-sentenced-23-years-prison/

[TheDevil]

Because you asked me a question.

[naomi24]

:o)

[cassa333]

So what are the book odds on ‘suicided by HC’ at the moment?

[gulliver1]

"Casting Couch" ?????.

[Spicerack]

Do you think the standard of acting will go up?

[andy-hughes]

naomi - Jim, //If you perceived your career to be at stake; if you complained and weren't listened to; if you thought it might be a one-off; if you were too embarrassed to remember it; if you blamed yourself, rather than Weinstein; would it be so easy to avoid putting yourself in the same situation? //

For me, yes. //

I know you are not insensitive or uncaring enough not to empathise with other women who may not possess your acknowledged levels of strength of character and independent thinking, so I am mystified as you why, on this occasion that is what you appear to be doing.

I can understand it from Theland, because a) he is a man, and therefore thinks about women's situations in simplistic easily sorted terms, and b) his history demonstrates a distinct absence of empathy for people in a worse situation than him, whom he dismisses as architects of their own fortune.

I can understand his view from him, but less so your support if it.

[naomi24]

AH, I didn't say I support it. I said that faced with that situation once I wouldn't go back again.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // AH, I didn't say I support it. I said that faced with that situation once I wouldn't go back again. //

What you said was "To be fair, I think Khandro has a point …"

so I would think it reasonable to interpret that as agreement.

[ladybirder]

Me neither. He's vile, looks vile, is vile. I would avoid him like the plague. Just looking at his picture in the paper makes me shudder. I really don't understand why having been molested by him once, anyone would put themselves in a position to have it happen again. For me, I can't imagine there would be a reason to do so, career or no career.

[andy-hughes]

ladybirder - I would put you in the same category as naomi, and most strong independent women who control their lives and what happens to them.

Sadly, as this, and similar abuse cases prove, not all women have the strength of mind and character to avoid such a situation when one assault has occured.

They can, and do, return, often multiple times.

[ummmm]

Although I assume Naomi and LB have never been in that position. Knowing your whole career, something like acting people dream of from childhood, could go down the drain if you whistle blow.

[Peter Pedant]

// Remember those young, promising actresses who seemed to disappear from view for *no reason* .//

er well - Donald Wolfit would do that to any rising starlet who got a better review that himself.
not about sex - he just thought should have got good reviews altho he was pretty terrible ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Wolfit

o god none of you know who wolfit is

[Peter Pedant]

actors and actrices who give up
o god am I the only one who has reached pt X in my brilliant career and thought - "oh god this is not what I wanted and yet I thought it was" [as in "I have made a terrible mistake"]

or even - 'you are not very good at this - do something else'
and you say - yeah I think youre right

you know kinda like Scarlett who cant nurse in a confederate hospital and walks out
(Gone with the WInd)

[naomi24]

AH, // it reasonable to interpret that as…//

Interpretation is analogous with your ridiculous ‘so’ - so don’t interpret. Read what’s there. Khandro did have a point - but the choices some people make for whatever reason wouldn’t be mine. I wonder how many of Weinstein’s targets really saw the fruits of their ‘labour’ rewarded? I’d guess few.

[jim360]

What's certainly true is that many of the actresses who did spurn his advances had their career ruined. Powerful men are not so easily rejected.

[naomi24]

If careers were ruined how would you know? The famous are famous - the rest are not.

[jim360]

You can tell because rising stars suddenly disappeared from large films.

It's not controversial that Weinstein was a powerful figure in the film industry, it is not controversial that used that power to manipulate women into doing what he wanted, and it is not controversial that people knew that defying him could be damaging to their career prospects. Many of them have *since* overcome this, but it's not difficult to have noticed their long absences in retrospect.

[naomi24]

Yep.

[cassa333]

When will he be suicided like Epstein?

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // Interpretation is analogous with your ridiculous ‘so’ - so don’t interpret. //

I have the right to interpret posts as I see fit, as do you, and anyone else on the site, and I will thank you not to dictate my actions in an effort to swerve out of the fact that you are agreeing with Khandro's unsavoury view of the situation being discussed.

If i see your "Khandro has a point ..." as agreement with it, that is my choice to do so, and I maintain that it is reasonable to do so.

If that shows you in a bad light, then that is an issue for your conscience - your post, and your view is there to be seen.

I think Khandro's observation is appalling, and it does you no credit, as a woman, to defend it, whether you wish to accept that that is what you did, or not.