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Derek Chauvin.... Interesting History....
Seeing as some seem quick to defend the actions of Derek Chauvin et al during the arrest and subsequent killing of George Floyd because of his past, I would like to know what your feelings are on the past history of the man arrested for the second degree murder of Mr Floyd?
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divegirl - // The man was dead and still no one cared... you cannot defend that surely? // Retrocop could be said to be having a good go at it! Although he denies such defence, and I accept his view on that.
17:11 Sat 06th Jun 2020
A-H
As every one else dodges the question perhaps you can answer my question with regard to his compliance.
When some heinous crime has been committed by some n'er do well in this country and receives a light sentence you constantly opine ad nauseum that this is a democratic country and has dispensed justice. We are a civilised society and we don't do revenge blah blah blah.
You are quick to join the sheeple and condemn the officer before he has gone to trial and join the baying pack. I am not defending the officer and I don't suffer double standards which is something been levelled at you twice today.
Back to the thread. In the interest of justice can you answer why Mr Floyd is described as compliant but then protests his claustrophobia when placed in the police car.Why was he taken out and put on the pavement and how come he was not claustrophobic in his pal's car?
As I said so many unanswered questions yet we will only get the full truth in a court of law. Speculation serves no justice to anyone.I have stated many times if you care to check I do not condone or defend this death if it was deliberate murder.
As every one else dodges the question perhaps you can answer my question with regard to his compliance.
When some heinous crime has been committed by some n'er do well in this country and receives a light sentence you constantly opine ad nauseum that this is a democratic country and has dispensed justice. We are a civilised society and we don't do revenge blah blah blah.
You are quick to join the sheeple and condemn the officer before he has gone to trial and join the baying pack. I am not defending the officer and I don't suffer double standards which is something been levelled at you twice today.
Back to the thread. In the interest of justice can you answer why Mr Floyd is described as compliant but then protests his claustrophobia when placed in the police car.Why was he taken out and put on the pavement and how come he was not claustrophobic in his pal's car?
As I said so many unanswered questions yet we will only get the full truth in a court of law. Speculation serves no justice to anyone.I have stated many times if you care to check I do not condone or defend this death if it was deliberate murder.
As a sentient being with empathy torwards others I find it difficult to understand why you don't understant my stance on the matter.
He may not have been a law-abiding citizen but he did not deserve to die at the hands of those who are supposed to uphold the law. They were caught on camera and the fact that I posted threads about it from the beginning indicated that this was a serious enough to cause shockwaves around the world. As it has done.
He may not have been a law-abiding citizen but he did not deserve to die at the hands of those who are supposed to uphold the law. They were caught on camera and the fact that I posted threads about it from the beginning indicated that this was a serious enough to cause shockwaves around the world. As it has done.
roy - // I would feel sadder about this man's death if he wasn't part of the dregs of society. //
The problem with that as a position, is that it removes the rights of the police to do their job impartially and with fairness to everyone, which I am sure you would agree is the system we would want to live with as a civilised society.
The minute you start introducing a 'qualification' to one person's right to fair and appropriate treatment, over another person, is that you have to judge each and every situation on that basis.
Who then decides that prisoner A is a model guy, so gets tea and scones, but prisoner B is a right piece of work, so he gets the rubber hose in the cell block?
You see the difficulty? Every police officer, and solicitor and QC and judge, has to temper their approach on the basis of who, and who does not deserve fair and just treatment.
If everyone is doing that on an individual basis, then you have chaos, because everyone's view of what is or is not 'deserved' is individual as well.
That's why we draw the line - everyone gets treated with the same fairness as everyone else, and then everyone can be judged fairly when the facts are in and heard and decided on.
But if Mr Floyd is getting rougher treatment because he is 'part of the dregs of society', then where does that stop?
If I were a police officer, I would ban every single driver I ever saw coming out of a pub and getting into a car to drive, because that's my personal bench mark, and under your system, that's fine, I get to do that.
But I would rather operate under a strict and impartial set of rules so that everyone in society is treated the same way, because that's the only way a civilised society can operate.
What do you think?
The problem with that as a position, is that it removes the rights of the police to do their job impartially and with fairness to everyone, which I am sure you would agree is the system we would want to live with as a civilised society.
The minute you start introducing a 'qualification' to one person's right to fair and appropriate treatment, over another person, is that you have to judge each and every situation on that basis.
Who then decides that prisoner A is a model guy, so gets tea and scones, but prisoner B is a right piece of work, so he gets the rubber hose in the cell block?
You see the difficulty? Every police officer, and solicitor and QC and judge, has to temper their approach on the basis of who, and who does not deserve fair and just treatment.
If everyone is doing that on an individual basis, then you have chaos, because everyone's view of what is or is not 'deserved' is individual as well.
That's why we draw the line - everyone gets treated with the same fairness as everyone else, and then everyone can be judged fairly when the facts are in and heard and decided on.
But if Mr Floyd is getting rougher treatment because he is 'part of the dregs of society', then where does that stop?
If I were a police officer, I would ban every single driver I ever saw coming out of a pub and getting into a car to drive, because that's my personal bench mark, and under your system, that's fine, I get to do that.
But I would rather operate under a strict and impartial set of rules so that everyone in society is treated the same way, because that's the only way a civilised society can operate.
What do you think?
retrocop - // A-H
As every one else dodges the question perhaps you can answer my question with regard to his compliance.
When some heinous crime has been committed by some n'er do well in this country and receives a light sentence you constantly opine ad nauseum that this is a democratic country and has dispensed justice. We are a civilised society and we don't do revenge blah blah blah. //
I opine that this is a democratic society and we don't do revenge, but that does not mean that the law gets it right every time, which is the bit of my view that you manged to miss because it doesn't fit with your perception of me.
// You are quick to join the sheeple and condemn the officer before he has gone to trial and join the baying pack. I am not defending the officer and I don't suffer double standards which is something been levelled at you twice today. //
I am not 'condemning' the officer - as I have explained, I believe he has acted with unreasonable force, and I have explained in detail why I believe that, but like you, I will wait for the verdict when it comes out.
// Back to the thread. In the interest of justice can you answer why Mr Floyd is described as compliant but then protests his claustrophobia when placed in the police car.Why was he taken out and put on the pavement and how come he was not claustrophobic in his pal's car? //
No I can't, I didn't know him and I wasn't there, so why are you asking questions I cannot possibly answer?
// As I said so many unanswered questions yet we will only get the full truth in a court of law. Speculation serves no justice to anyone.I have stated many times if you care to check I do not condone or defend this death if it was deliberate murder. //
Nor do I, but I do not attempt in any way to defend what is clearly excessive force, and we all have evidence of the news clip to see that.
As every one else dodges the question perhaps you can answer my question with regard to his compliance.
When some heinous crime has been committed by some n'er do well in this country and receives a light sentence you constantly opine ad nauseum that this is a democratic country and has dispensed justice. We are a civilised society and we don't do revenge blah blah blah. //
I opine that this is a democratic society and we don't do revenge, but that does not mean that the law gets it right every time, which is the bit of my view that you manged to miss because it doesn't fit with your perception of me.
// You are quick to join the sheeple and condemn the officer before he has gone to trial and join the baying pack. I am not defending the officer and I don't suffer double standards which is something been levelled at you twice today. //
I am not 'condemning' the officer - as I have explained, I believe he has acted with unreasonable force, and I have explained in detail why I believe that, but like you, I will wait for the verdict when it comes out.
// Back to the thread. In the interest of justice can you answer why Mr Floyd is described as compliant but then protests his claustrophobia when placed in the police car.Why was he taken out and put on the pavement and how come he was not claustrophobic in his pal's car? //
No I can't, I didn't know him and I wasn't there, so why are you asking questions I cannot possibly answer?
// As I said so many unanswered questions yet we will only get the full truth in a court of law. Speculation serves no justice to anyone.I have stated many times if you care to check I do not condone or defend this death if it was deliberate murder. //
Nor do I, but I do not attempt in any way to defend what is clearly excessive force, and we all have evidence of the news clip to see that.
''Back to the thread. In the interest of justice can you answer why Mr Floyd is described as compliant but then protests his claustrophobia when placed in the police car.Why was he taken out and put on the pavement and how come he was not claustrophobic in his pal's car? ''
The man was dead and still no one cared... you cannot defend that surely?
Have you watched the videos?
Can you really say that 4 [were they armed?] officers could not control a handcuffed man other than for one of them to kneel on his neck?
The man was dead and still no one cared... you cannot defend that surely?
Have you watched the videos?
Can you really say that 4 [were they armed?] officers could not control a handcuffed man other than for one of them to kneel on his neck?
//No I can't, I didn't know him and I wasn't there, so why are you asking questions I cannot possibly answer?//
I don't believe any one else was there to represent Answerbank and witness the action yet they are not prepared to ask questions but in true AB fashion have all the answers so lets dispense with due process . Lets hang him now without benefit of a trial. AB has found him guilty. Shame Floyd missed that chance but just maybe had he got in the police car he may of been charged with a minor misdemeanour and walked.
Forget due process.
I don't believe any one else was there to represent Answerbank and witness the action yet they are not prepared to ask questions but in true AB fashion have all the answers so lets dispense with due process . Lets hang him now without benefit of a trial. AB has found him guilty. Shame Floyd missed that chance but just maybe had he got in the police car he may of been charged with a minor misdemeanour and walked.
Forget due process.
I can only answer from my point of view being claustrophobic. In my case it's not just confined spaces that can trigger a panic attack, it's restraint/loss of control combined with a small space which would push me over the edge. Altho I think I could cope with a car whilst handcuffed altho I would be anxious I've no doubt.
Irrespective of his alleged claustrophobia, he was handcuffed and not showing violent resistance. The restraint method employed was shocking.
Whilst the officers had to make a decision as to the threat he posed this was not a split second decision. It was over 8 minutes. And his hands were cuffed behind his back.
Police officers do a difficult job in difficult circumstances. But to apply compression to someone's neck for so long in these circumstances to my mind is unbelievable.
Irrespective of his alleged claustrophobia, he was handcuffed and not showing violent resistance. The restraint method employed was shocking.
Whilst the officers had to make a decision as to the threat he posed this was not a split second decision. It was over 8 minutes. And his hands were cuffed behind his back.
Police officers do a difficult job in difficult circumstances. But to apply compression to someone's neck for so long in these circumstances to my mind is unbelievable.
